new voting poll

[caminito]

Such short memories the public have , that it was labour caused the problem 

Pollsters Angus Reid carried out their survey of 2,232 people on Friday, two days after shock figures revealed the recovery had stalled.

Labour’s popularity stands at 43 per cent, compared with 32 per cent for the Tories and 11 per cent for Liberal Democrats.

[Chrisjay]

It does make sad reading however I had this discussion with neighbours last week and they (along with me) would be hard pressed to know who to vote for because we did not vote to have Lib Dem policies pushed down our throats and it has weakend the Conservative position in that they (even if they were keeping to their manifesto policies)  are reliant on the LD's to get them through.

I don't have a short memory but I am not happy that Cameron has not been able or inclined  to keep to his manifesto pledges and him and Clegg are like two (public) school boys patting each other on the back while the proverbial Rome burns.

If things go on like this it is going to be very difficult for people like me to know who to vote for as I would not like another coalition, I would not vote Labour and Lib Dems do not have a hope in hell of getting a majority (and I would no longer consider voting for them) and I would guess they will get even fewer seats than they did last time.  I feel we have 54 MP seats holding the country to ransom.

[avalonmpk2]

Don't believe it. A few years ago I belonged to a local pub skittles team, quite by chance a person who worked for one of these pollsters used the same watering hole, and we were frequently asked our views and we were invariably National Front  or Communist and we live in an area that is 44/66 Liberal(Not LibDem)/Conservative, we were 16 out of a sample of 1000. Do the same poll outside Liverpool football club and you will probably get 75/25 Labour/ Libdem Things don't change that much, only in University Towns. My own choice I'm a right wing republican!

[caminito]

right wing republican!

Sounds good 

http://www.republic.org.uk/

[Chrisjay]

Mmmmn President Thatcher, President Blair, President Brown, President Cameron, President Clegg, President Milliband not a nice thought

[caminito]

Taken from the Republic website ...... 

So many people argue against a republic by saying they don't want president Blair or president Thatcher it is safe to assume that we wouldn't get either.

Democracy is about the people getting what they want. If the people are overwhelmingly against the idea of former Prime Ministers becoming president then you wouldn't get former Prime Ministers as president.

Ultimately it's for the people to decide. If you don't want them, don't vote for them and you won't get them. If you do want them, do vote for them and you will get them.

If they were elected then that would be the people's choice. That's democracy. So the question really misses the point. We're not campaigning for a particular president, we are campaigning for the right of the people to decide. Simply put, if we don't want them we won't get them, and if we get them, then don't like them, they can be voted out.

[Chrisjay]

I know I know so don't bite my head off but if we get what we want by simply voting why are we still in the EU and why won't the government give us a vote on it along with the recent treaty - you have more faith than I have that we will ever get to vote on anything that truly shows the will of the people as opposed to what our rulers want us to vote on.

Following that if we do not like the president do we riot on the street as in Turkey to get rid?

In the UK the people have never had a will as they would not know how to exert it - pensioners are a typical example of the apathy that runs through the country now, we just blindly put up with everything no matter how much we dislike or object to it.

[caminito]

From an article that the UK would be better off out !

“When the leadership of the Conservative Party spend so much time in the trendiest London districts talking to other members of the political elite, they get an entirely warped view of how the public view the EU. They should spend more time with normal voters: then they would know what the polls show, which is that most of us believe that we would be Better Off Out.”

[Chrisjay]

So how would "Simply put, if we don't want them we won't get them, and if we get them, then don't like them, they can be voted out" work if we cannot get a vote on something so important that none of ever voted for in the first place

[caminito]

A president would hold office for a set number of years  ( say four ) and then there would be an automatic election .
The mayor of London is an example .

As far as the EU is concerned , that is a "different kettle of fish".
The UK agreed to join the Common Market . Full stop !
The EU  , this Bureaucratic monolith that is insidiously controlling our lives , is another thing !   

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If Thatcher was still leading this country I would be quietly confident that she would stand up for British interests and refuse to integrate further with the EU. Unfortunately, David Cameron doesn't fill me with the same confidence. This is a chance to prove that his rhetoric is not just hot air, but that he is willing to say no to the European Union. The EU ship is clearly sinking and now is the time to jump off.

[Chrisjay]

Good points all (mine and yours) but I am still looking forward to THE wedding as like most women I love a good wedding no matter who is getting married 

[avalonmpk2]

The EU is just a talking shop the majority of whose members are overpaid sponging, scrounging, interfering socialists who have never had to do an honest days work in their lives, and us as UK pensioners are taxed to pay for their inflated pensions and expenses. Example 1: 25 British old age pensioners could live for a year in comparative luxury on the expenses of one Greek MEP!!!
Example 2: Look at the Kinnocks (well I'd rather not!) He/she might just stand for President with a running mate called 'Jordan'

[Chrisjay]

I agree but recently the Daily Express ran a campaign on holding a referendum.  They got approx 350,00 signatures which is peanuts in the scheme of 60 million plus residents of this country (that we know about) that small percentage of the population will not influence the government one iota.

Now if there were 6 million (or 14 million pensioners) they might take some notice of their employers US. (US not the USA  )

[avalonmpk2]

No they won't they have all been indoctrinated by the Millipeeeeeeds the lefties have promised them jam today never mind our children.
Socialists do not believe in inheritance - only the inheritance of debt!!!
PARTICIPATION IN ALL ELECTIONS SHOULD BE COMPULSORY £150 FINE FOR NOT VOTING AND YES I DO AGREE THERE SHOUL BE A BOX STATING NONE OF THE ABOVE

[caminito]

How the EU works: In Germany, they make the rules, in Britain, they obey the rules, in France, they bend the rules, in Spain, they break the fules and in Italy they have no rules at all.  


SOCIALISM: You have two cows. State takes one and give it to someone else.
COMMUNISM: You have two cows. State takes both of them and gives you milk.
FASCISM: You have two cows. State takes both of them and sell you milk.
CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
EUROPEAN FEDERALISM: You have two cows which you cannot afford to keep because of milk imported from a member state with cheaper labour. So you apply for financial aid from the European Union to subsidise your cows and are granted enough to carry on working them. You then sell your milk at the original high price to some government-owned distributor which then dumps your milk onto the market at the price that drove you to subsidies to make Europe competitive."