Brown Bringing the Labour Party & Country Down

[John]

Time to go Gordon - not that he is likely to be listening (as normal).

Unelected and Unelectable.

[p diddy]

i dont think its time for him to go he has done nothing wrong it is just the ressesion

[Ivanhoe]

p. diddy, Yes but we only have recessions under right wing government's which New Labour are.

[Ivanhoe]

John, And who would take their place then ?

[Wrinkles]

Anyone except them, I doubt the monster raving looney party could do worse, and even if they did at least it would be fun and amusing 

[Papaumau]

It is always easy to criticise the encumbent PM and his or her party, ( remember the snash that Thatcher received just before her own party booted her into oblivion ) !

Now, after Blair has done a bunk and poor ole Gordon has made a muckup of being a Prime Minister it is HE that is the figure of derision at this time.

Parties come and parties go and after any party has been in power for more than two terms the electorate start to blame whoever is in power for the state of the country.

p.diddy was not actually too far away from the answer when he tried to blame the recession as while it is very true that Brown has made a lot of stupid mistakes it has been the world banking collapse and the world recession that has done for the present New-Labourites and Gordon Brown.

While diddy-Dave is looking forward to being the next PM I also think that in his heart of hearts he is also thinking that he and his party may be being handed a poisoned chalice.

I for one will be very interested to see what the REAL right-wingers will do with the country once they get in - as they most-surely will !

[Ivanhoe]

Papaumau, Lets look at the facts.  The Tories 18 years in government claim they created a good economy.  But at what expense ?.

Over three million unemployed as an inflationary measure.

Also placing millions of pensioners in poverty by cutting the state pension link with earnings.

Removing "miinumum wages", and getting rid of our manufacturing bases, privatising instead of nationalising, and it costs more tax payers money to privatise, than it ever did to nationalise, and stopping the building of council houses, hence our housing crisis today.

The Tories created a rich and poor devide.

New Labour have continued right wing Tory policy, instead of sticking to their long held traditional values, hence the countries continued rich and poor devide.

[Wrinkles]

I would tend to disagree there. Labour old or New certainly stuck to one of their core principals the good old Tax and spend.
Tax, tax and tax again then spend it all and more, mostly on pie in the sky projects.

On the subject of tax are we not subject to one of the biggest tax scams of all time?
Admittedly not purely Labours own but a global scam. Green Tax, can anyone tell me where the bulk of the revenue from the Green Tax goes? Yes there are a few token hand outs, but the majority? Oh! of course some of it goes to build windmills that cost millions to set up and give a return, when it's windy, of very little. You could of course  count the value of placating the green lobby, that's worth a lot. Everywhere you look they are jumping on the Global warming bandwagon and taxing us to fund the ride despite the fact that there is still no definitive proof that Global warming is no more than a natural cycle.
ooops! I've generated a lot of hot air so I'd better go and pay some carbon taxation.
Just a final thought, recent calculations have indicated that the total carbon emissions of all the motor vehicles in the world would total less than 5% of the total emissions. That's total emissions not just man-made.   

[Ivanhoe]

The greatest tax burden in this country falls on the less well off, it is they who pay much higher income tax and local council tax in proportion to earnings than the rich who pay less.

If we were fully in Europe which we are not, we would be paying higher income tax rates, but we would not have council tax.

[Wrinkles]

If you believe that then Santa Claus and the Easter bunny must live at the bottom of your garden
Go join the socialist republic of Europe if you wish, you can get cheap tickets across the channel, but keep that band of crooks well away from what's left of this country. It's going to take years to recover from Gordon without that bunch sticking their noses in and creating more strife

[Ivanhoe]

Please elaberate sensibly ?

[Ivanhoe]

I started what ?

[Wrinkles]

You statement on the tax burden may be essentially true but as for council tax...
Do you seriously believe that if we succumb to the blandishments of the pro Europe side we will cease to pay council tax? I can just see Gordon or Dave letting that little earner slip through their fingers. If they have to give it up they will just call it something else and add a premium to cover the cost of the name change. Good grief it's politicians we are talking about here and not good ones either. Most are as crooked as my grannies teeth, as for the ones that aren't crooked it's only 'cos they are too stupid to know how 

[Ivanhoe]

The council tax is the poll tax because council tax is an unjust tax not being based on ability to pay.

The countries of Europe do not have this type of unjust local taxation, they fund their vital services care of higher rates of income tax and a greater proportion of GNP.

[radar41]

can you supply an authentic breakdown of income tax rates throughout europe ?