Time to Go Gordon

[John]

Surely it must be time for monotone and card reading Gordon to go.

He is laughingly in charge of the Country, yet he acts surprised when matters such as MPs expenses are made public and of concern.

So many of them appeared to know the dodges such as flipping homes, just how in touch is he? Not just with them but us.

There is far more suffering of job loss, pay loss, home loss than is being acknowledged or effort made to address.

Let’s have a General election now. The only alternative not to this is for Brown to step down.

Let’s have some space from Gordon the no hoper.

[rachandhelen]

we agree 

[John]

He could always stay and lead Labour to catastrophe

[Wrinkles]

He could always stay and lead Labour to catastrophe

I don't think they need any leading. Gordon isn't leading anyone yet they seem to be finding their way to catastrophe without his help. Some would say not fast enough.
 
I any case, Gordon is no longer in charge, he is the puppet front man for the even more dangerous megalomaniac Mandelson. When it comes to lies, spin, double dealing and back stabbing, mark my words, you aint seen nothing yet.

[Ivanhoe]

And so who would you put in his place ?

[Wrinkles]

For the labour party? Difficult but in fact there is only one of them that appears to have the brains to do the job and that is the prince of darkness himsel, good old Peter Mandelson. He is though such a nasty piece of work that he's never likely to get the "popular" vote, Not that it's stopped any of them before.
Personally I'd think the No.10 cat could do a better job

[Ivanhoe]

I will never understand this obsession with personality politics, surely the manifesto is the important thing ?

Gordon Brown is leading a New Labour government who have basically adopted Thatcherism since they came to power in 1997, no change of leader is going to change that.

[Wrinkles]

The manifesto??? do behave. The labour manifesto is in the top ten on the literary list of fantasy fiction.
True there are the mundane items that may or may not be achievable but just because in the manifesto in most cases means it's only there to pad out the waffle.
Was the referendum on European treaty in the manifesto? Oh! sorry they changed the name of the treaty so it doesn't count. 

[Ivanhoe]

Im talking about in general.

Personality politics is everywhere today, when it should be the manifesto that counts.

[Wrinkles]

Personality politics is inevitable when The main contenders all lie, cheat and scheme to get into office. As far as personalities go there isn't much to work on when Labours two top guns have the personality of, one a cinder block and the second a snake in the grass. The Tories, a hooray Henry who can't find the right tree to hug and the Libs field a recent escapee from a home for the terminally bewildered. Oh! sorry am I indulging myself in a bit of Personality politics
As for the Manifesto's, for the most part not worth the paper they are written on but as a work of fiction they border on masterpieces that will be tossed aside as soon as they have conned the nation into putting them in power.
In which manifesto will it detail the massive and swingeing cuts to ALL public services whichever party that gets in will HAVE to make? Answer none. Oh! they will show some mild token cuts here and there, but the full extent? That will come later when the manifesto is hanging on a nail behind the door in the No.10 toilet

[Ivanhoe]

How very unconstructive of you, but I take your point, or should I say points.

It is very sad that due to outright greed and self interest from the British in the 80's and 90's that traditional Labour became unelectable, which is why Neil Kinnock started to ditch Labour's core beliefs and values in an effort to get "New" Labour elected and subsequently deliver to us more of the same right wingsm, or Thatcherism as the media might put it.

Now we have a right wing government, and a right wing opposition, so David Cameron cherry picks from his own parties policies under New Labour in an effort to grab votes.

[John]

Will have to bring you into this Century.

The Conservatives do not not need to grab votes.

Labour, Nu or other are making sure that they are given away...

[Edna]

Will have to bring you into this Century.

The Conservatives do not not need to grab votes.

Labour, Nu or other are making sure that they are given away...

The Consrvatives will win the next general election. We don't need anymore of the Nu Labour madness of sinking the country into record debt. But then what do you expect from a party that believes in the old socialist principle of spending other peoples money, then borrowing more when its all gone.

[Wrinkles]

Careful Edna you will upset Ivanhoe if you make unconfirmed and unconstuctive statements like that, whether true or not. He's already brought in his back up option, Niel Kinnock. The famous welsh windbag who was/is the typical failed politician who is shunted off to Europe out of the way and where he proceeded to get wife and son lucrative positions on the EU gravy train. He who was to oversee the sleeze busting and ended up having all the commissioners resign only to reinstate them selves a short time later. Now a multi millionaire but still a useless politician. Nice work if you can get it.  Ultimately a blessing for us that he never became PM. If Gordon is a waste of space I shudder to think how we would have fared under that oxygen thief

[John]

Agree with you on this one Winkles.

If being in the UK Parliament is a pot of gold for those involved.

The EU Parliament is a vault of gold...