Unemployment in the UK

[Dottie1943]

If it is to be believed that last year nine out of every ten people regaristing for jobs are immigrants and our own people are complaining that there are no jobs to be had, where then are the new people going to get their jobs from?

Personally when I am travelling around the countryside I see loads of immigrants working in the fields planting or cultivating but I don't see our own people doing the same jobs, why? Well I will answer my own question, it's because they are getting more money for sitting at home doing nothing.

If we have minimum wage in this country it has to be worth those doing nothing getting off their behinds and going out to work, or, they should only be allowed to stay on benefits for a certain amount of time say six months,to give them time to find a position that they think they can do for the amount of money weekly they think they are worth,if after six months it should then be pointed out to them they they are not worth as much as they thought and therefore their benefits will be reduced by 40% which they will receive for a further three months, if after that period they are still jobless there benefit is reduced by a further 40% thus leaving them with twenty percent of the amount,they would either find work or not!!!

Hard I know but hey they would still more than likely be getting more than me! And Iworked all of my life and apart from my holidays I can honestly say I had approx seven weeks off sick in all. Of that time.

[Hugh]

Young people do have one problem finding work unless its on their door step just how do they get there. Public transport not that clever and expensive. Buy a car could do that on borrowed money but car insurance for a young person £3000 or more.
Alot of these youngsters could be in training as engineers or builders but whats the use when both Blair and Cameron are giving our work away to other countries. Just why cannot all these million in councils banks be used to build council houses which would create jobs. No money, having a good look round Mansfield there are dozens of new work units stood empty, just why wasn't alot of this land and the money used to build council houses.
I have worked all my life but it was very easy to find work as a youngster in which ever trade you wished. Lots of these youngster are well educated but for every job which comes up hundreds want it. I can understand why so many give up and get by on welfare.

[Dottie1943]

Hugh

I quiet agree that it is not easy for young people these days to find work BUT if they try hard enough they do find it, the same applies to slightly older people too, I know about eight people recently who were made redundant due to their work place moving to a different area, they have all now got jobs, ok they are not doing what they were before BUT they are working, and I know that if you are working you can always get another job, i think it's because any future employer thinks if you are working you are worth taking on because you are employable. I know it sounds a silly reason for taking on staff but it is always the case, believe me as a previous employer of staff and one who worked for twenty six years in the recruitment industry.

All eight Hugh have found work, admittedly one took almost a year but he never gave up, he wrote away for every job he thought he could do, he eventually retrained took a £5000 drop in salary, but when I spoke to him and his wife with their new baby last week they were very happy and content. Granny gave them her car because she could not drive anymore, mum and dad helped them for a couple of months with their living expenses and now they are back on a level footing

Dottie

[Hugh]

I was talking about youngster who couldn't get to work even if they found a job. Transport is the big evil. Youngsters get into the habit of living off wefare, learn how to live off it. Of course there is also the cheats who collect welfare and take cash in hand jobs.

[Rita Postlethwaite]

Of course the other side of the coin is that (some, not all) could WALK to and from work as I , and I`m sure many of you, used to have to! We had the luxury of buses but couldn`t afford to use them, hence my forty five minute walk to and from work. I know of others who used to walk much further.

[Papaumau]

Ahhhh... the minimum wage raises it's ugly head again.

I think that no matter how many jobs there are - or not - out there, when someone does get a job they should expect to be paid a wage that is good enough to raise them out of poverty, ( I like to think of the state pension in this light also BTW ), as there is no use in getting out of bed in the morning, every morning, to go to a job that pays less than a basic subsistence wage.

THAT is why the minimum wage is set at the level that it is set as the clever people that designed and update this rate decided that that was the rate that is needed in order to make people want to go to work.

No matter what is in the imagination of the people that think that benefit levels are better than minimum wage levels....they are NOT... as if they were then it would be true that it is better to stay at home - in bed - and to not go out to work at all.

Then we come to the people that are willing to work, ( illegally, BTW ), at less than the minimum wage for gang-masters right across Britain. These people are willing to work for any amount of money as they are usually not able to register for unemployment benefits or other benefits because of their immigrant status and the British employers and gangmasters like to keep it that way so that they can constantly aquire cheap labour.

This is not the fault of the people that are willing to work for a pittance, it is the fault of a government that turns a blind eye to the fact that thousands of people are illegally working at below minimum wage so that fly-by-night employers can make lots of money off these virtual slaves.

[Rita Postlethwaite]

I will second that Papaumau. 

[Papaumau]

Thanks Rita !

Now that I have a proposer and a seconder, let's put it to a vote. 

[Hugh]

Priciple great but there is many now leaving UNI working for nothing to get job experience and some even paying for experience. Which leaves the poorer unable to get a job or experience.

[Papaumau]

Yes Hugh we have to consider the fate of bright young people who commit to going to university to get degrees only to find that there are not many jobs out there for them after they have graduated.

( My eldest grandson is at university at the moment and I worry if he will get a job with his degree after graduation ).

This jobs-shortage is not a simple problem and it effects all of the folk out there that want to work.

Many of the less-educated folk are either stuck on jobseekers allowance because they cannot find a decent job or they are stuck on benefits - or no benefits - because they will not accept the low-paid and menial work that is all that is available to them.

What is in fact happening is that the British jobs market is being turned into a peasant market where people are being forced to accept jobs that will not make their lives fulfilled or give them any happiness in the future. Most people recognise these jobs when they are described as being dead-end-jobs.

[Angelo]

Soon most of them won't be able to affor an education anyway !
Pappa: your logo says it all ! (ripped off britian)

[Papaumau]

Yes Angelo, you are right about that, as after Cameron's mob allowed - with the aid of the two-faced Liberal Democrats - the uni' fees to be raised to over £9,000 for a few of the top universities we are now finding that just about all of them down in England are jumping onto this bandwagon.

That is one of the great things that the Scottish Nationalist government did up here: they refused to allow ANY tuition-fees to be apllied to the costs of going to university. They also scrapped the endowment fees that youngsters were forced to pay elsewhere.

[caminito]

Do you call Blair ,Brown & now Miliband's party a MOB as well 

The English ntaxpayer is subsidising the free scottish handouts 

[Papaumau]

I even call my own family a "mob" Caminito, so that description does not mean all that much to me other than referring to them with slight derision.

I am not going to get caught up in that old and hoary argument about England "subsidising the Scots" as that subject has been discussed to death in other places. All I will say is that we - up here - pay all of the taxes that the English and others do and we send them down to London.

It is fine with me if they send some of that money back up here in the block subsidy as they won't let us raise our own taxes up here....yet.

[Angelo]

Caminito; I would call them a MOB. The Eaton Boys Club
I couldn't notice any difference in the way they treated the working man when they were in power.
In fact I became poorer, subsidising the likes of the underwater basket weavers club.
Most of them on both sides went to Eaton, Harrow or Charterhouse anyway. and if they didn't they all met up in Oxford or Cambridge. Get the drift ?

Good on ya Scotland, show them how its done ! If it didn't rain so much I would move up there.