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Papaumau

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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2011, 01:58:00 PM »
What a great discussion, I have enjoyed all of it !

It IS a worry that now that there are so many drugs available to us on the NHS and privately we and the doctors are in a very unhappy situation as far as looking for and acting on contradictions between medicines.

I do know that the GPs have a bible that lists all of these contradictions but as they are now more or less restricted to about ten minutes total to each patient in the surgery, they don't get much time to look up such stuff.

THAT...is why I have always believed that we should not leave this up to the docs as if we have access to t'internet we can do these checks ourselves and tell the doctor what to look for. I know they don't like that but I think that if it our long-term heath that is concerned here we really HAVE TO know about such things.

I have looked around the internet for ways to check for drug interactions and contra-indications and the simplist and best one I have found is THIS one which allows us to enter one drug and then to enter a second drug to find contra-indications between the two.

Incidentally, I found by this method that there is a severe indication against the use of Simvastatin and the eating of grapefruits !

Anyway, best of luck to you all in your investigations and...Xetog.... have a good holiday in Spain. ( I am very jealous  :-\ ).
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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2011, 06:37:56 PM »
Grapefruits are a Definate no no when taking Statins, also anybody on Warfrin or similar must NOT drink cranberry juice that also has very bad adverse effects.

Great site again Papa
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2011, 06:25:26 AM »
It seems to me that the first recourse to Drugs as a cure can cause more problems than the complaint,

Before we left the UK I had a Cholesterol problem 3 times what was considered normal  & only last year over here in Spain my Wife was diagnosed with the same but not quite to the level I had.

In both instances the first course of action by the Doctors was not tablets - but a diet - cutting out the foods which cause Cholesterol & High BP -  foods such as Diary products / Eggs.

we both did this and with-in 6 months our levels were back to what was considered normal  - we now do eat the ' Banned Foods '  but not to the extent we did before and our levels are checked every 6 months at the local farmacia.
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2011, 09:44:21 AM »
It seems to me that the first recourse to Drugs as a cure can cause more problems than the complaint,

Before we left the UK I had a Cholesterol problem 3 times what was considered normal  & only last year over here in Spain my Wife was diagnosed with the same but not quite to the level I had.

In both instances the first course of action by the Doctors was not tablets - but a diet - cutting out the foods which cause Cholesterol & High BP -  foods such as Diary products / Eggs.



we both did this and with-in 6 months our levels were back to what was considered normal  - we now do eat the ' Banned Foods '  but not to the extent we did before and our levels are checked every 6 months at the local farmacia.

Well done thats the route I followed and did more exercise pills should be the last resort
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2011, 12:18:00 PM »
I am so happy for all who are able to control their cholesterol by diet but as this is not a factor for me, as my earlier post explained. I certainly use the internet to find out adverse effects for any medical treatment I have to have but try to NOT Take anything if at all possible!  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2011, 12:45:26 PM »
Hello Rita there are many in the same boat as you and the pill is the last resort. I was one of the lucky one's where exercise and diet was the answer. Shame there are so many on satins when they could have done with out them.
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2011, 01:55:40 PM »
It seems to me that the first recourse to Drugs as a cure can cause more problems than the complaint,

Before we left the UK I had a Cholesterol problem 3 times what was considered normal  & only last year over here in Spain my Wife was diagnosed with the same but not quite to the level I had.

In both instances the first course of action by the Doctors was not tablets - but a diet - cutting out the foods which cause Cholesterol & High BP -  foods such as Diary products / Eggs.

we both did this and with-in 6 months our levels were back to what was considered normal  - we now do eat the ' Banned Foods '  but not to the extent we did before and our levels are checked every 6 months at the local farmacia.

Hi again Sheriff....

While it is true that people like us who have high cholesterol levels SHOULD only eat and drink low-cholesterol foods and drinks It is also true that certain intrinsic qualities in some people make high levels of  ( "BAD" )cholesterol internally and without the overindulgence in high-cholesterol foods or drinks.

This quality makes some people much more liable to get artereosclerosis in veins and arteries where this can raise blood pressure and also raise the chances of a heart attack. These people NEED to get drugs to try to offset this risk and those of us that do have this prognosis have to trust our doctors that they are not making things worse by introducing contra-indications for such powerful drugs.

It is obvious by what has been said here and elsewhere that the cheapest and now-generic "statins" DO have many contra-indications and side effects that can make the condition worse and not better in some cases
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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2011, 02:27:24 PM »
Hi to you all. I felt I should to reply to this one ! my husband has had very high uncontrollable blood pressure diagnosed in a freebie test about 4 years ago,the docs prescribed, over this period dozens of pills,non of which worked for more than 4 weeks,indeed at one point we thought we were going to loose him !! along with this his cholesterol hit the roof,having always been in the normal range previously. Two months ago he started on a course of weekly acupuncture,the effect on his health improved within a week,she also recommended a vegan diet,well by this time we were prepared to try anything.The result is almost unbelievable,his blood pressure returned to normal,his energy improved ( he is building a garden wall at this moment) and the latest blood tests show things are returning to normal,cholesterol right down, kidneys stabilised,there was talk of dialysis at one time, and all the other results returning to normal,I´ve got my husband back !!
The book and DVD we are using as a base is by Mike Andeson and is called The Rave diet and lifestyle. I would recommend it to anyone with heart or circulation problems. :)

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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2011, 03:21:09 PM »
Hi jackiephil....

Thanks for telling us about your particular story and how acupuncture - along with a vegan diet - helped to get rid of your husbad's high BP and helped to reduce his cholesterol count.

While I would never even start to knock such experiences I have to say that as humans are very prone to what is called the placebo effect many of the "other" forms of medicine that are harder to scientifically measure or quantify can often have amazing effects on some conditions.

I guess that so long as we do not expect our experiences to necessarily be transferrable to others it is good that the others know about such things when often normal medicine can not only NOT help but can, on occasion, just make things worse.
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2011, 04:07:29 PM »
Hi papaumau
Before retiring to Portugal I was a nurse.I am well aware of the placebo effect,in fact we may in part be going along with this at the moment.But on 2 accounts I think we need to look beyond conventional medication,as people tend to think that it has all the answers, My husband's doctor goes along the line,if its working for you etc etc. Chinese medicine and treatments have been working for thousands of years before we got over the "humors" stage,The second is ,if the blood tests had not been so different from the ones taken just previous to starting this treatment,I too would have queried it.If you get to read the book and see the DVD ,you will see that there are many cases that respond well,the research has been very thourough.
The other good thing is that we are both loosing a few pounds,cant be bad !!! :)

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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2011, 06:02:23 PM »
The old saying ..."we are what we eat" is very true.
Therefore diet has a great impact on our health and fitness !

In Spain the finest jamón ibérico is called jamón ibérico de bellota (acorn). This ham is from free-range pigs that roam oak forests (called la dehesa) along the border between Spain and Portugal, and eat only acorns during this last period. It is also known as Jamón Iberico de Montanera. The exercise and the diet has a significant impact on the flavour of the meat; the ham is cured for 36 months.
What they eat flavoured the meat .

In Someset the finest pork that you will ever eat is from pigs left to forage on the wind fall apples in the cider apple orchards.
The meat is sweet and full of flavour because of their diet .

If a pigs diet can flavour its meat then it proves to me that everything that we eat can have a good or bad impact on our bodies !

Here is some research to prove the point...

As long ago as 1982, the National Research Council published a report called Diet, Nutrition, and Cancer,  showing the evidence already available linking specific dietary factors to cancer of the breast and other organs.

Asian countries, such as Japan, have low rates of breast cancer, while Western countries have cancer rates that are many times higher.  However, when Japanese girls are raised on westernized diets, their rate of breast cancer increases dramatically.

The traditional Japanese diet is much lower in fat, especially animal fat, than the typical Western diet. In the late 1940s, when breast cancer was particularly rare, less than 10 percent of the calories in the Japanese diet came from fat. The American diet, of course, is centered on animal products, which tend to be high in fat and low in other important nutrients. The fat content of the average American diet is in the range of 37 to 40 percent of calories.

Countries with a higher intake of fat, especially animal fat, have a higher incidence of breast cancer.  Even within Japan, affluent women who eat meat daily have an 8.5 times higher risk of breast cancer than poorer women who rarely or never eat meat.  The Surgeon General's Report on Nutrition and Health  stated: "Indeed, a comparison of populations indicates that death rates for cancers of the breast, colon, and prostate are directly proportional to estimated dietary fat intakes."




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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2011, 02:32:21 PM »
You don't have to persuade me that meat is good, Caminito, as I have been a confimed carnivore for many years.

That is one of the reasons why I would find it very hard to go "vegan" - Jackiephil -.

Both my daughter and my wife - not so severe - are vegetarians and while I always find it curious that they like "rabbit-food" I am glad that they don't try to convert me to their diet.

In fact I think that humans are actually and technically "Omnivores" as right across the world - Caminito - they put some very strange things into their mouths and bodies. ( There is an advert on the telly at the moment where a wee Indian - I think - girl, sees a street vendor selling a stick of cooked locusts and with a repulsed look on her face she turns her nose up on this food until the guy selling the cooked bugs sprinkles hundred and thousands onto them ). She then happily munches away on them...( YUK ! ).

Give me a well-done Rib-eye steak any day !
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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2011, 04:29:51 PM »
Hi all, especially Jackiephil. It was good to read your experiences regarding your husband and I am always delighted when unconventional things work well for people. :) By my own doctors account I have an excellent diet, weighing in at just eight stone four pounds and eating just two meals a day (cereals for breakfast and one main meal) have never smoked and just rarely have a small glass of red wine (no loss to me as I have never been much of a drinker) never eat anything fried, in fact dislike fat. I eat plenty of fish, veg and fruit and use only skimmed milk and low fat everything else. Both my husband and I walk lots and we lead active lives. ;D I absolutely refuse to make my remaining life a misery by sticking to overly strict routines, I would rather enjoy my life and live a few years less, after all old age is not all it is cracked up to be!!  ::)
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