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Dottie1943

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The Euro Crisis
« on: September 14, 2011, 01:32:31 PM »
Hi all, I have been busy this morning so have only just heard the news that the Euro is being discussed in Brussels and there is now a real fear that the Euro is in danger of going, well I say news you and I have been saying this for months, but as usual although the MP's and Eurocrats have been saying it as well behind closed doors at last they are coming out in the open now! ::)

I am amazed, according to the BBC News though that they sre still thinking of giving Greece the next lots of money promised! :o

The Deputy PM came on the TV today as well and said that we are also in trouble (well not like that, but thats what he meant) so its now about time they stopped shipping billions of ££££'s abroad!

Your comments as usual are requested ;)
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Re: The Euro Crisis
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 12:42:05 PM »
Makes you wonder if we did the right thing ditching the commonwealth and going into Europe ???

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 12:45:22 PM »
Angelo it sure does, but I personally think we will be better off I may be wrong but I am sure glad that we kept the £ now and never went over completely to the Euro.  Do you remember a few years back now the Dutch wanted to come out and never did so, I bet they wish they had now!
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 12:48:35 PM »
Yes it seems to be a big empire building exercise for the fat cats. Using our money !
And do we realy matter in the bigger european picture , or are we kidding ourslves, as usual.

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2011, 05:10:31 PM »
Today the Greek government have made it known that they intend a property tax on the properties of their country men starting at £850!!  :oGuess what? Anyone refusing, or unable to pay will have their electricity cut off. >:( I bet Cameron is rubbing his hands at the thought of that one.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2011, 05:15:51 PM »
Rita, I bet the first people they target to get their money are the foreigners who have gone there to live permanently or have holiday homes there! >:(
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Re: The Euro Crisis
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2011, 07:05:40 AM »
If the European Community went back to what it was when it first started ie.    a Trade Association  -  and sacked all the Law Makers & Politicians that have caused it to become the Monster it now is  - I think many people throughout Europe would be satisfied.

All the countries could be Autonomous  and make their own Laws as they used to - rules which made sense & were for the well being of their own country.

The UK would be able to buy once again from the Commonwealth Countries it supported in the past without the Wrath of the European Laws being dropped on them.

They would be able to say with impunity to every would be immigrant - have you got a job to go to - or have you enough money to support you and your family for at least 5 years and prove it { this is what we had to do when we came to Spain 12 years ago }   and if the answer is NO - then it would be cheaper to put them on the next plane back to where they came from - rather than put them up in a luxury hotel until they disappeared ??

We would then be back in the position where every country was responsible for it's own well being - instead of being able to spend money Left Right & Centre knowing full well under present conditions if they make a B..ls of it the other countries will bail them out.
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Re: The Euro Crisis
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2011, 08:30:14 AM »
I agree 100% with you


We have a vote BUT we do not have democracy


The Liberal Democrats currently have 57 MPs and, to date, 16 MPs have responded to the Liberal-democrats-logo EU Referendum Campaign question of support for a referendum on EU membership. Of the 16 MPs responding 11 (69 per cent) are not supporting a referendum and 5 (31 per cent) are. Summarised below are the responses given by the 16 MPs as recorded on the EU Referendum Campaign website:

                No to an EU referendum              Constituency

1              Stephen Gilbert                              St Austell and Newquay

2              David Heath                                   Somerton and Frome

3              John Hemming                                Birmingham, Yardley

4              Martin Horwood                              Cheltenham

5              Christopher Huhne                          Eastleigh

6              Charles Kennedy                             Ross, Skye and Lochaber

7              Norman Lamb                                  North Norfolk

8              Bob Russell                                     Colchester

9              John Thurso                                   Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross

10           David Ward                                      Bradford East

11           Steve Webb                                     Thornbury and Yate

 

Yes to an EU referendum                                         Constituency   

1              Edward Davey                                   Kingston and Surbiton

2              Tim Farron                                        Westmorland and Lonsdale

3              Mike Hancock                                    Portsmouth South

4              John Leech                                        Manchester, Withington

5              Adrian Sanders                                   Torbay

 

At the last general election Liberal Democrat MPs stood on the following manifesto commitment:

“The European Union has evolved significantly since the last public vote on membership over thirty years ago. Liberal Democrats therefore remain committed to an in/out referendum the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU.”

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Re: The Euro Crisis
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2011, 02:08:37 PM »
Hi guys n' gals....

Of course, as you would expect, I take the other view. ( Well, I would wouldn't I  8)  ).

Even although I am a proud Scot I am also a Brit and a European and as such I would just love to see Scotland with independence and with a full membership of the EU.

"Why would I want that" I hear you ask ?

Well, you see I have always considered that the landmass that is closest to us...Europe.... is a perfect place to make great allies, ( not in war BTW...in trade ), and as little Britain no longer has an empire I think that we should be forming up ( either as the UK or as the independen nation of Scotland ), so that we could be an integral part of that "monster" and not just stuck out here in the Atlantic on our own.

That wish aside, I do admit that the Eurozone and Greece - in particular - are having a torrid time of it just now and while the Central European Bank is doing what it can to help Greece out of this bind I do feel that as members of this greater state of Europe we should all be in the same "boat" ( excuse the pun ).

All of the countries of the world are in trouble at the moment because of the globals banking crisis and some are in more trouble than others, ( even America threatened to default on it's debts a couple of weeks ago ). With this in mind, it is not surprising to me that relatively small countries like Greece or Ireland or Iceland or even as has been said recently....Italy and Spain... are also at risk in this global crisis and as such these are times when we should pull TOGETHER and not allow such great alliances to fall apart because of national greed and selfishness.

I would even go much further if I was to get my way, as I think that eventually Europe WILL finish up as a Federal United States of Europe and I would like to see Britain at the heart of this particular "monster" as if we are not we are just going to get picked off by the other great alliances of the Americas and the Far East.

What do you think of that postulation then ?
« Last Edit: September 27, 2011, 02:10:51 PM by Papaumau »
Regards....

Papaumau.



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Re: The Euro Crisis
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2011, 02:13:56 PM »
Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS came within minutes of closing cashpoints and normal business operations, the Bank of England confirmed
Both were bailed out by the BOE !

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If Scotland had been independant then no bailout from BOE for scottish banks and both would have gone bust !

I wonder how Alex Salmond would have got over that one  Huh?

Well maybe, but the fact of the matter is that had Scotland been independent when Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS, both Scottish registered banks, went under, it would now be more bust that even Ireland and Iceland. As a likely member of the euro, there would also be no obvious path back to salvation. Assuming he had not already been defenestrated in the manner of Brian Cowen, Mr Salmond would by now be begging Westminster to restore the union.

Do the maths. It has cost the UK taxpayer £70bn to recapitalise the Scottish banks – this was no UK banking crisis, but a Scottish one – and the sums needed would undoubtedly have been a great deal larger had not taxpayers from the UK as a whole been standing behind the liabilities. Shared among a population of little more than half the size of London, that's £14,000 per head.

The idea that had the Scot Nats been in charge, these two banks would have been better regulated, is an interesting theory but also completely fanciful. The Edinburgh financial and political elite is if anything even more defined by cronyism than Dublin's. Puffed up with its own sense of self importance, the hubris would very probably have been worse still.

But let's for the moment take leave of the real world and assume the banking crisis never happened. Could Scotland feasibly go it alone? The bottom line is not without taking a huge hit to living standards and/or public services. During the election campaign, the Scottish Labour Party attempted to cost the SNP goal of quitting the UK and came to the conclusion that without major spending cuts and or tax increases, there would be an ongoing structural budget deficit of £14bn a year, equal to around £2,600 per head of population. Bang goes free university tuition and bang goes free prescriptions. And bang goes an awful lot more to boot.

Ah but the Scots have north sea oil, you say. Well yes, but the Labour Party calculation is after taking account of £4bn a year in North Sea tax revenues. Depending on where the line in the sea is drawn, it might be a bit higher than that, but unless you include fields which are unmistakedly in English waters, it's not going to close the deficit.

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2011, 02:18:04 PM »
An independant Scotland  ??? Fine by me !
Pay for it all yourselves . Bang goes all the free prescriptions ,university places. etc.
No more bailouts and handouts from England !

When Alex Salmond was first spouting off about independance for Scotland , he envisaged lots of lovely EU grants ,loans and investment into his coffers.
Just like Ireland ,Greece , Portugal , Spain and others. Join the Euro as well !
He would then take the glory for creating new industries ,roads , railways , bus services etc etc all funded from Brussels.
Unfortunately the credit crunch has caught up with his plans and the EU is now broke and the Euro will crash ?
So now he has to raid the English coffers and take credit for spending English taxpayers money on Scotland

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2011, 02:40:10 PM »
Spot on Caminito. Independence for Scotland? yes please, and they can take all their Labour MPs back and drop their obsession with blaming Margaret Thatcher for everything that's wrong in the world.

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2011, 03:19:25 PM »
It will be the English voting to end the union if we keep funding Scotland like we are doing  ???

The establishment of an English Parliament is being urged by UKIP Euro-MP Paul Nuttall.

"Devolution has created a problem in this country and the English are feeling increasingly put upon," said Mr Nuttall.

"Twenty five opinion polls have now shown that the English are in favour of having their own parliament and the latest one revealed that a massive 79% support the idea.

"This issue is about fairness and trying to save the Union. The tuition fees issue is a perfect example of what is going wrong.

"How can it be right that Scottish students pay nothing for their university education but those south of the border have to pay £9,000 a year?," said Mr Nuttall, UKIP’s Deputy Leader.

"It is also plainly unfair that Scottish and Welsh MPs can vote on English-only legislation but English MPs can have no say in Scotland and Wales.

"The English need and deserve equality with the other partners in the Union and I feel so strongly about this issue that I have proposed that fighting for an English Parliament becomes UKIP policy.

"I believe this is the only way of saving the Union because if things carry on in the way they have been going, the resentment building up about the amount of our money going over the border will mean it will be the English voting to end it and get rid of Scotland," said Mr Nuttall.

Angelo

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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2011, 03:43:04 PM »
But Mrs Thatcher is to blame for everything that has gone wrong. Her lot lost me my House for one !

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2011, 04:45:47 PM »
But for earthquakes and tsunamis?
Angelo, why not go the whole way and complete the statement, " she should have been burned at the stake
Taking a little bit far don't you think