Why should we stay in the EEC?

[Dottie1943]

It appears that the thread about the Scottish Referendum has been hijacked by those wishing to discuss other matters including the pros and cons of staying in the EEC  so I thought it would be fair to start another thread solely for that use and let's go back to the Scottish Referendum when we want to discuss that as well, both obviously very emotive subject

[xetog]

Good idea Dottie.  Perhaps we should have a GOM (grumpy old men)corner where those of us who are of the male persuasion can growl away all day and be ignored by everyone else!
M.

[Dottie1943]

That would be discriminating against us Grumpy Old Women who like to have a moan from time to time though

[xetog]

GOW!! Never.  Women remain balanced, logical and sweet tempered throughout their lives don't they?
M.

[xetog]

P.S.  My wife told me that

[avalonmpk2]

How much money does the fairer sex waste on useless cosmetics per year in the UK - almost enough to clear the National Debt! That would then enable us to quit the largest Con Club the world has ever seen!

[caminito]

I was shopping in Tesco's with the wife and I picked up two bottles of wine for £10 offer.
She said ,put them back ,we can't afford them.
In the next aisle she put a £25 pack of face cream in the trolley !
I said ,how come we can afford face cream for you  and not wine for me ?
She said, it's to make myself beautiful for you !
I said the wine does that and it's cheaper !

That's when the fight started !

[xetog]

avalonmpk2; That's a bit harsh!  True, make up or not my wife always looks beautiful in my eyes, but I would not dream of denying her the means of presenting herself to the world as she would like it to see her.
M.

[Dottie1943]

Us women need our moisturisers and creams so that we can keep you waiting for us whilst we apply them

And why should we save the world, we have each saved our husbands isn't that enough.?

Finally Caminito, I love your comments especially the last paragraph are you the couple I saw in my local supermarket, he had a hatchet in his head and she had a contented look on her face?

[Papaumau]

To get back to the topic....

Of course, nobody here will be surprised that my stance is for not only staying in the EU, ( even although we are not actually fully in and I think that our Dave is just playing at it ), as it has to be a good thing that we make close and solid friends of our nearest neighbours.

When we consider that we are no longer an empire and we are very much on our own out here in the wet-bit, I think that we should be finding ways to get rid of the xenophobia and Euro-hatred that seems to be abroad in Britain at the moment.

OK, I have to admit that greater Europe is going through a torrid time of it at the moment due to debts and the Euro has suffered too because of this. I also admit that the lack of pure democracy attached to the unelected officials of the EC is a serious bugbear.

All that said I do not think that these problems are insurmountable if the will is there to try to fix them.

We will be unable to do just about anything if we are eventually forced out of the EU and that will be bad for every single man woman and child in Britain.

NO..instead of playing silly games with our membership of the EU, we need to get RIGHT IN so that Sarkozy and Merkel do not have it all under their control. This stupid position of being half in and half out just cannot go on and so that we are no-longer in a quandry about Europe we should either draw fully out or get fully in. 

[avalonmpk2]

i disagree get out now before we have to pool our limited pension pots with Greeks, Portugese and goodness know who else. Out out out.!!

[BigAl]

 Let’s get the hell out of it.
I have friends but there is no way that I want to I live my life, or spend my money, the way they do. If we had to agree on a set way for us to live or spend our money we wouldn’t remain friends for long. And I believe this same scenario will always bug the EU.
Let’s be friends but leave marriage out of it.

[sparky]

Avalon I could not agree more, the sooner the better, the public were brainwashed by those with their own vested interests from day one into thinking that joining would be the best thing since sliced bread, when its been a disaster for all but MEPS and all the other hangers on, when has amalgamating large bodies ever been a success, look at the joining up of the London Boroughs, Hospital trusts, to name a few, the bigger they get the more top heavy they get with armies of inkies and others, for me, small is best every time.

[bromers]

Let’s get the hell out of it.
I have friends but there is no way that I want to I live my life, or spend my money, the way they do. If we had to agree on a set way for us to live or spend our money we wouldn’t remain friends for long. And I believe this same scenario will always bug the EU.
Let’s be friends but leave marriage out of it.

      It's like  two families who have been friends for years, then go on holiday together. Two weeks in a spanish villa but are at each others throats after two days, back home within five days and never speak again. It will end in 

[caminito]

OUT OUT OUT!
I have spent forty years of business life working with/for Dutch, German , Spanish , Italian & French companies  ( as well as American & Japanese !
So I base my opinion on experience and not hearsay or theory

Now we see that the  supposed success  of Greece Spain , Portugal etc , was an illusion created by smoke, mirrors, prodigious subsidy and reckless borrowing. The EU’s generosity enabled tinpot countries to create lavish welfare states unsustainable by their own real wealth.