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John

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Baroness Scotland - Law Maker - Law Breaker
« on: September 24, 2009, 12:03:15 AM »
Should She Go? - Yes

Another example of Gordon Brown's Judgement or rather lack of it.

What mugs he must think the public are. Riding rough shod over
one law for his pals and one law for others.

The same law that allows public servants in public office to
merrily cheat on their expenses.

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Re: Baroness Scotland - Law Maker - Law Breaker
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 01:18:33 PM »
While I will be inclined to agree that the buck IS supposed to stop at the top, I - on this occasion - cannot blame Brown for the larcenous actions of one of his cohorts.

Baroness Scotland SHOULD have resigned when she was caught breaking one of her own laws, but I don't think that that offence was serious enough for Brown to have been able to sack her.

Sometimes it seems that poor ole Gordy - in the opinions of many of the electorate nowadays - is responsible for just about anything from the cause of baldness in men to the state of the coffee harvest in Columbia.

I suppose that it is not too strange that when things go wrong for people that someone at the top has to take the blame.

I wonder if Diddy Dave will get these brickbats five or ten years down the road ?

Probably !
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Re: Baroness Scotland - Law Maker - Law Breaker
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 12:56:37 PM »
Do you mean to tell me that Gordon is NOT responsible for my thinning hair? Furthermore that the poor coffee harvest in Brazil was not as a result of his fiscal policies?  :o

With no means of proving the contrary I reluctantly bow to your superior knowledge however on the subject of the Baroness I beg to differ with your assessment that the offence was not serious enough to sack her. Any offence committed by someone holding that office should warrant immediate sacking. She should be whiter than white (not skinwise obviously) and her pathetic excuse for not photocopying the papers is Bovine excrement. She was instrumental in drafting and steering the law through which implies that she would know every detail to the letter. She employed an illegal alien and regardless of paper work, copied or not, by doing so she broke the law. Not a law that she was ignorant of or one that she didn't understand but law that she was very well versed in. There can be absolutely no excuse. In her position that cleaners papers should have been checked, double checked  and checked again. She had the resources available to her on, the grounds of security for a minister in nothing else.
To say Gordon could not sack her is rubbish, I would have thought he was duty bound to give her the push.
This is just another example of gross ministerial incompetence, that is so prevalent within government and Whitehall these days, but which will go unpunished, no one will be brought to account as this is accepted as the norm
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Papaumau

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Re: Baroness Scotland - Law Maker - Law Breaker
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2009, 12:37:52 PM »
I say that if her offence was serious enough for sacking a whole lot more should have been sacked for fiddling their expenses.

I guess it is not just about breaking the law, as far as they are concerned, it is about degree.

Many of us in the past have taken advantage of the "perks" rule in our work-places and maybe the politicians are thinking along these lines when they do what they do.

I don't say that what they do is right, I am just asking...Where do we draw the line ?
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Re: Baroness Scotland - Law Maker - Law Breaker
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2009, 03:09:32 PM »
They do not lose their jobs in the ordinary sense of not having one.

They lose their position at the front of the gravy train. There executive
position at the greedy pigs trough.

This is all part of Gordon's power and job to determine that position.

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2009, 11:34:50 AM »
The only way that these people "lose their jobs" - if they are not cabinet ministers or secretaries - is if WE give them their P45's by voting them out at the next GE.

That includes Baroness Scotland !
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John

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Re: Baroness Scotland - Law Maker - Law Breaker
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2009, 03:38:59 AM »
Unfortunately as a Life Peer, we do not have that luxury.

I don't believe this matter has finished yet...

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Re: Baroness Scotland - Law Maker - Law Breaker
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2009, 12:26:45 PM »
Sorry John, as of course you are right that in this case Baroness Scotland has never held an elected post in any of the government departments.

This just goes to prove that cabinet members should not be allowed to come from the unelected upper house.

Blair promised he would fix this one but of course he never did !

Mandy Mandelson came back out of the mire this way too !
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John

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Re: Baroness Scotland - Law Maker - Law Breaker
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 11:30:30 AM »
Labour will bleat on about an elected upper house, but they never actually get on with bringing it about.

How the electoral system would operate to facilitate this is another matter.

I would expect some old boys and old girls door in the system, a mates entrance, if not just for themselves.

Even if the only purpose is to stay on the gravy train.