How big will Labour make its promises (undelivered) to gain Votes

[John]

Not so much gaining Votes but to retain them.

I would expect that every Minister is being asked to come up with some Vote Winners.

In between lording it up including free food, free car rides and filling out expense claims
and flipping homes.

Nearly forgot, illegal immigrants to do your cleaning.

[movrae]

I'm being a little anecdotal here, but I have a memory of an old episode of Only Fools And Horses, where there was a premise in the storyline that one of the main characters had to find someone they suspected had been in an accident, and they commented that they'd "tried all three of the local A&E's". The punchline to that comment was, "It's a good job we've got a Tory Government, otherwise you might have had six to check.". That was very much the societal perception back then : the Conservative party was shorthand for cuts in public services, and under-funding for basic facilities needed by society's least privileged. Has their policies changed on these matters recently?, or will we be back to cuts in services to fund tax breaks for the privileged few should a Tory government get back in?

[John]

The amount of money spent on the NHS is difficult to comprehend.

Like Road Fuel - at 85% TAX. Non medical staff costs run at about 85% in the NHS.

This is where cuts can be made. But if I was political, cuts would be called savings.

Even Del Boy became a 'millionaire' based on free enterprise.

The Country needs that freedom, not ever increasing Quangos creating stealth taxes
from issuing pieces of paper called licences.

Council Tax further taxed by stealth taxes such as Landfill Tax.

[Wrinkles]

Road tax is another example. Disguised now days as a green tax but another ongoing rip off. This month I had to tax 'er indoors venerable old Polo diesel £190 for the year? Why? when my own car costs only £120. Another stealth tax on they that can least afford it. If you are low paid then you probably have an older car, but your road tax is higher. Well paid you have a newer car with much lower road tax. Ok if you car is 10 years old you can get £2000 allowance against a new car, but the low paid can't afford that.
But you shouldn't complain as it's Labour looking after the workers and the low paid.

[Ivanhoe]

movrae, The Tories are by tradition a low income tax government.  And they do not believe in the concept of The National Health Sevice.

[John]

Low Income Tax Government - Great! Lets all vote for them, with the removal of the 10 pence tax band. Those with low income need some relief.

Not believe in the concept of the NHS - What concept is that then?

Read http://www.conservatives.com/Campaigns/Stop_Browns_NHS_Cuts.aspx

No lack of supporting a concept there.

[Ivanhoe]

Low tax doesnt pay for services.

You mean you dont know about the NHS ?

[John]

There is no need to be silly.

Income Tax and particularly National Insurance (TAX with a wrapper on) has never been
that low not to cover the costs of the NHS many many times.

We are always in a state of being overtaxed, it matters not who forms a government.

[Ivanhoe]

Actually we are vastly under taxed re- income tax in this country, the enterprise culture demands it, and we've had the enterprise culture nearly 30 years.

[John]

Stuck in that time warp again.

You can always send a donation to HRMC if you believe you are vastly undertaxed on your income.

I would like to hear from just one person who supports that view.

I can only think of Gordon Brown...

[Ivanhoe]

As stated, we are vastly under taxed regarding income tax.

[Wrinkles]

As stated, we are vastly under taxed regarding income tax.

 Isn't that a typical Labour retort, If true, and I doubt it, then it would only apply to income tax in comparison to other countries. Other countries don't have the plethora of stealth taxes that we have and as a whole we have the higher taxation, But in true labour form that bit of information is carefully avoided 

[Ivanhoe]

Yes it does apply to income tax in other EU countries where taxation is fair, but much higher as are their other contributions, they dont have our unjust stealth taxes and they dont have our unjust local council tax system either.

Europe's rich pay much higher income tax than the rich here in Britain, and Europe's low earners earn more than their UK counterparts.

From the outset European countries have a much fairer spread of wealth than we do.

[John]

Putting aside the generalisations and pointing out we are part of Europe
in any of them.

Those within the definition of rich in Great Britain are either foreign nationals
or British and their taxation residence are in places such as Jersey, Monaco etc.

Not that they would be a drain on this Country.

The same cannot be said about the Royal Family who are mega rich and
continue to suck off the system as much as they can.

The unfairness is the waste and top heavy costs of administration otherwise.

[Wrinkles]

Hmmm! the poor old royals, they cost a hell of a lot less than that shower of useless wasters in the houses of commons and lords but they bring in infinitely more income by way of tourism etc .
Yes there are hangers on and dead wood within the royals but if you want to pick on that category then again start at the houses. When that lot is sorted then you can think about the pittance the royals cost.
I'm not a fanatical royalist but regardless of the cost of Her maj I would pay double and more just to ensure we wouldn't become a Republic. Think about it, If we were a Republic we would have President Tony! FFS anything but not that, It's bad enough it looks like the Grinning clown will be the first President of the EU. We can only hope the Irish don't let themselves be bullied. Otherwise we have to rely on the Czech's.