Is Brown starting to look a bit better ?

[Wrinkles]

I didn't say it would however getting rid of immigration and illegal immigrants would solve one of our problems.
Getting rid of Gordon Brown and the entire Labour party would not solve our problems but it would go a long way toward solving some of them as well as being a very pleasurable experience for the enlightened 

[Ivanhoe]

"""getting rid of immigration and illegal immigrants would solve one of our problems"".  What problem would it solve then ?

Also Ide like to get rid of New Labour, and ide like a Lib-Dem government.

But in truth it wont happen, and New Labour know it, so they are complacent, and Cameron's Tories are finished in my opinion, I hope.

[Wrinkles]

"""getting rid of immigration and illegal immigrants would solve one of our problems"".  What problem would it solve then ?

[/i]

  Let me check, your question was "What problem would it solve then"

I'll type it very slowly, in words of one syllable in order to make it easier for you to understand. If you still find it difficult then can I suggest you get a grown up to explain it to you.

The Problem it would solve would be the problem of immigration and illegal immigrants.
I was tempted to explain the problem in more detail but I fear that would overload your brain cell.

As for "and ide like a Lib-Dem government.

Well thank providence you are in a very small minority 'cos That really does indicate you are losing your grip, Talk about living in a world of make believe....

I think you have been overdoing it dear boy, you are losing your grasp on reality. Might I suggest you go and have a long lie down in a darkened room for a week or two. It might not help your return to sanity but it would keep you and your daftness off here.

[Wrinkles]

Don't spit your dummy out old chap. Can I suggest that you re-read the thread, you will find that at no point did I suggest that immigration was the root of this countries problems. It was used in the context of highlighting one of this countries problems and by heck there are plenty to choose from.

If you want to get to the root of the countries problems then you are on a hiding to nothing. However I can point you in the right direction, You can start with a large, overpaid group of useless politicians(of every colour) who have become complacent and apathetic. in the shadow of an even larger and more overpaid group of politicians and None elected all sorts that have become even more corrupt and unaccountable with each passing year. Mix that with tree huggers and human rights activists with jobsworth mentalities and the death of common sense. That should start you off.

You don't have to take that as read 'cos as you know I'm stupid and know nothing whilst you know it all.

[Ivanhoe]

Just how are immigrant's and/or immigration "1" of this countries problems ?

[Wrinkles]

At my level I'm to stupid to answer a question like that so instead why don't you tell us:-
"Just how are immigrant's and/or immigration NOT "1" of this countries problems ?

I look forward to reading that, I'll bet Gordon will be interested too. He'd love another take on it, pity it's too late for conference though

[Ivanhoe]

You made the statement, you tell me.

[Wrinkles]

Obviously you are incapable of giving an answer to that and so use the ploy of "answer with a question."
Sorry you can put your rod away and take off your waders the fish aren't biting today 

[Ivanhoe]

Im saying that neither immigration, or immigrants are the problem in this country, whilst illegal immigrant's are exploited by British bosses.

[Wrinkles]

Im saying that neither immigration, or immigrants are the problem in this country, whilst illegal immigrant's are exploited by British bosses.

I'm sorry old chap but I refuse to play with you anymore if you persist in continually moving the goal posts.

In your quote above you will see I have highlighted the latest move. "a" being replaced by "the" which places a completely different context on the question.
 The original was "and would prefer the money be spent on keeping immigrants out of our overcrowded country and shipping out illegals already here. In the course of a few posts you have had it as "our problems", "A (general) problem", "A (Specific) problem""THE problem","ONE of our problems" etc etc. You are flitting about like a fart in a colander wondering which hole to come out of.
I have no doubt you consider it to be sound tactics that whilst most would take up a position and defend it, you prefer to keep on the move from one position to another in order to make your self a more difficult target. That only works well when you carry a rifle and wear a tin hat.

[Papaumau]

"""getting rid of immigration and illegal immigrants would solve one of our problems"".  What problem would it solve then ?

[/i]

  Let me check, your question was "What problem would it solve then"

I'll type it very slowly, in words of one syllable in order to make it easier for you to understand. If you still find it difficult then can I suggest you get a grown up to explain it to you.

The Problem it would solve would be the problem of immigration and illegal immigrants.
I was tempted to explain the problem in more detail but I fear that would overload your brain cell.

As for "and ide like a Lib-Dem government.

Well thank providence you are in a very small minority 'cos That really does indicate you are losing your grip, Talk about living in a world of make believe....

I think you have been overdoing it dear boy, you are losing your grasp on reality. Might I suggest you go and have a long lie down in a darkened room for a week or two. It might not help your return to sanity but it would keep you and your daftness off here.

Once again, Brown and the New-Labourites cannot be blamed  - on their own - for the state of immigration in Britain. This has been going on for many many years.

As far as the rules that allow just about anyone to enter Britain from the Eurozone is concerned, this is the fault of the "open-borders" policy of the EU.

As far as illegal immigrants and immigrants coming from foreign countries, ( not including the commonwealth of course ), is concerned, HERE the encumbent government have introduced the Australian-style borders polices and the resulting influx of foreigners has been virtually wiped out.

The British border force, ( a special subdivision of the Customs service ), has started to break into the numbers of ILLEGALS that are coming here too.

I cannot see The Tories doing any more towards solving this problem, can you ? 

[Wrinkles]

Now I know that the following should be in the funnies section, and I apologised but in mitigation I submit that although amusing it is too near the truth to be funny.

I give you Gordon the Chicken

Trevor the farmer was in the fertilized egg business. He had several
hundred young layers (hens), called 'pullets' and eight or ten roosters,
to fertilize the pullets' eggs.

Trevor kept records and any rooster that didn't perform went into the
soup pot and was replaced. That took an awful lot of his time so he bought a
set of tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a
different tone so Trevor could tell from a distance, which rooster was
performing. Now he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency
report simply by listening to the bells.
The farmer's favorite rooster was Gordon, and a very fine specimen he
was too, but on this particular morning Trevor noticed Gordon's bell hadn't
rung at all!
Trevor went to investigate.
The other roosters were chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing.. The pullets,
hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover but to farmer Trevor's
amazement, Gordon had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring.
He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.

Trevor was so proud of Gordon, he entered him into the London
Exhibition and Gordon became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The Result?

The judges not only awarded Gordon the No Bell Piece Prize but they
also awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.

Clearly Gordon was a politician in the making: Who else but a
politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on
our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing
them when they weren't paying attention.

Do you know a Politician called Gordon?

I rest my case

[Ivanhoe]

Wrinkles, Okay let's cut out all the silly stuff shall we.

Im now asking you to go back to basics and say what you think is the answer/s to this country's problem/s, and what in you're opinion needs to be done to fix these problem/s ?

[Papaumau]

AND....do you sensible guys REALLY think that the unproven Tories led by public schoolboy Cameron and his public schoolboy pals in his cabinet - who are also unproven - are going to be able to sort out this mess....OR, are you going to be coming back to this forum in a couple of years and saying the exact same things about them then as you are saying about New-Labour and Brown just now ?.

[Wrinkles]

Firstly if I had all the answers, or even some of the answers to the ills that beset this once great country I wouldn't be sitting here typing into this forum but I'd be at the Commons trough flipping homes and fiddling expenses whilst I did something about the problems.
The country is broken, the problems with it are many a varied, most of which are the results of poor governance, poor leadership, failed or failing incompetent politicians, Greed from the city. Interference and bureaucracy from Europe, apathy, failed social engineering, lax benefit system etc etc etc.
Which party can sort it out? none is the answer, the whole rotten mess is too far gone and any person or party with the guts to make a stand would be shouted down in an instant by the majority of others who would strive to protect their own self serving interest before anything else.
As it stands the Tories and their boy wonder will tinker at the edges resolving one problem whilst creating two more, but I feel that at least a start will be made and the problems will, if not resolved, at least be addressed and recognised for what they are. The alternative is big talk from small minds, throw some money at it and pretend it doesn't exist. If it does exist form a quango to define it's existence then legislate against it, make it a criminal offence and tax it twice. Whilst all the time keeping up the façade of Saviour of the world whilst waging war in one of it's poorest countries.