The Lisbon Treaty

[Ivanhoe]

Ive always been pro-European because Ive always believed in the European Social Charter, ie it looks after the European populas through welfarism, decent pensions, protects workers against exploitation at work ect.

Im sure somebody can you tell me this, does The Lisbon Treaty weaken and/or abolish the Social Charter ?, or is the EU Social Charter still firmly entrenched within the Lisbon Treaty ?.

[John]

This is a constitution but treaty sounds better.

This Treaty transfers more power to Brussels  headed by an overpaid President of Europe
Blair of course stands ready for this job, complete with smarmy face. Does he deserve it?
Of course not.

Vetoes will be abolished. Central European control will be more or less total.

Referendums that are held will be repeated and marketing tweaked and promises made
until a 'YES' vote is obtained.

The momentum for this is creating more carriages on the gravy train. Fail here or found
to be fiddling your expenses (more then normal), get a job there etc.

We will pay more and have yet another layer of bureaucracy.

Add even more to the Health & Safety, Data Protection Act and European Directive excuses
that bureaucrats have for doing nothing or refusing the most basic act of assistance.

Being part of Europe was sold as being part of something that certainly was not going to
take away the heart of a Country.

Albeit that Great Britain needs a transplant or other bypass.

[Ivanhoe]

""Ive always been pro-European because Ive always believed in the European Social Charter, ie it looks after the European populas through welfarism, decent pensions, protects workers against exploitation at work ect""

Cutting out the wider, intellectual picture, how will the treaty effect the above ?

It is worth noting that we British have none of the above.

It is also worth noting that Blair's constitution when he held Presidency in 2005 was New Labour's first move in pursuading EU leaders to ditch their long held Social model, ie (above ), and for them to adopt our right wing low income tax free market model.

So i'de like to know how this Lisbon Treaty effects all that ?

[John]

Why don't you write to your representative MEP and ask them?

[Ivanhoe]

So you dont know then ?

[John]

I don't know better then the view of your well paid, well expensed
(some may say overpaid, over expensed) MEP.

Let them earn their money - or that of their administration.

There is no doubt that as the Lisbon Treaty is actually a Constitution and
gives Europe even more power. There will be a move to rationalise all
that went before they had greater power...

That is my view.

[Ivanhoe]

If you have no understanding, how can you make comments about Europe as you do ?

I know that Europe do not run this country, the council of ministers do this in Europe, they decide what EU policies
go to their particular countries.

I want to know how The Lisbon Treaty effects people at gross roots level, I shall have to e.mail my MP on this.

[Edna]

Some years ago, all the Europhiles, were denying that the EU would ever develop into a Super-State. Well that was a big Fat Lie if there ever was one. The EU is morphing into that right now. If that Half-wit Blair becomes the First Elected President-Emperor, then the process towards ‘Super-state’ will accelerate, and criticisms of this will be silenced by criminalising anyone who challenges, researches, questions etc EU policy or corrupt practices.

[John]

Having been to Brussels, shown round and stayed with
a non political Bureaucrat. I have a fair grounding on the European situation.

It is not totally healthy for the UK, it is course easier for our own politicians.
Laws being made for them adds up to a lot of non thinking time.

Time to think of ways round expenses rules and the like.

Yes we have been conned and continue to be conned over Europe.

If Blair gets that position after peddling lies and spin to the people
of the United Kingdom. It will prove how corrupt the sytstem is.

To me if no-one else.

[Ivanhoe]

This is one big myth perpetuated by the right wing press.

Europe are a lot of singular countries each with their own identity, but with one big difference politically with the UK, the EU are not purely market driven countries, the role of their "State" plays a big and vital part in each country.

Blair's constitution, introduced in 2005 when he held his turn as Presidency, was an an attempt to pursuade by vote, each EU country to turn their backs on the EU Social Charter, and vote for the UK's market driven economy weve had since the 80's.

[Ivanhoe]

Why do you think Blair was chosen ?

[John]

Why do think Blair was chosen?

[Wrinkles]

You don't suppose him being a spineless, lying, cheating, smarmy,traitorous, snake oil salesman had anything to do with it, do you?  

[Ivanhoe]

As much as I loathe Tony Blair myself, can't you be constructive ?

[Wrinkles]

Yes I can. And that is my assessment of why he would be chosen. He would feel right at home on the top of that pile of shysters. The French love the idea and have already named him Boney Blair and Cherie Antoinette. It goes without saying if it's the EU and the French think it's good for us then you can bet your boots it's anything but.