The Tories and the next general election.

[Ivanhoe]

The Tories are doing everything they can to lose the next general election, because they know they can't sort this country out, because they know New Labour's policies are their own.

 

[Papaumau]

( Trying to avoid the petty squabbling )......

We DO have to consider what the Tories are going to do when they get back in, ( which I am sure they will ), as when they get in they are going to have to deal with the seriously damaged world economy and a rather nasty recession in Britain.

I know that many of the writers here are of the opinion that New-Labour and Gordon Brown in particular are to blame for this situation and while that is open for discussion we are certainly going to see how the Tories handle the poisoned chalice that they are going to receive.

As historically, the Tories have not been in favour of any kind of state control and they are very close to the privatised industries I can see them trying once again - as Thatcher did - to privatise the NHS and to hammer the public service industries in order to pay for the country's debts.

What I am getting at here, is: can we really trust the Tories to act like David Cameron says they are going to act, or are they just going to fall back into their old clothes and porridge once their feet are back under the table ? ( please excuse the mixed metaphore  ).

[Ivanhoe]

Papaumau, The reason why Britain is in recession is because of the right wing free market policies introduced into this country under Thatcher, and Major, which were copied by Blair and now Brown from 1997 todate.

We only have recessions under Tory government's, we have "winter of discontent's under past "traditional" Labour governments.

In my opinion Britain is not in a "world recession".  We are in a recession of our owm making due to almost 30 years of right wingsm.

[Wrinkles]

Well we have to agree with that PaPa it's all the fault of Mrs T, Labour, new or old,  had nothing at all to do with it. All we have to do is wait until the general election, which Labour will win by a landslide, The the true labour party will emerge and like the knights of old on their white chargers they will ride to the rescue of the free world. Gordon Brown will be promoted to God and we shall all live happily ever after.

Nothing like a good fairy story to wind up the day, and that was nothing like a good fairy story. Rantings of a delusional basket case possibly. Still I suppose his eternal optimism is a comfort in these trying times

[Papaumau]

Then he woke up....it had all been a dream !

I have to agree that it was reckless greed right around the world and in the big institutions that brought the world into this recession. It would have been a miracle if Britain had been able to escape this particular pandemic.

She did not and the greed of these money-players almost destroyed many of the previously "safe" and stable countries of the world. It DID destroy Iceland !

I am sure that the Tories were very glad that they were not in power when this blight threatened the security of the world as while in opposition it was easy for them to stay quiet with their thumbs up their bums while Brown took the difficult decisions to save the big banks from collapse. I cannot image what the Tories would have done in that situation !

Remember that the taxpayers money that was chucked at the banks so as to guarantee every penny of the invested money of the savers of Britain will eventually come back to the treasury and even if it takes ten years or more it will be the next governments that will enjoy this cash injection.

It would have been unthinkable for any government in any of the big countries NOT to support their cash infrastructure as if they had not America and Germany and France and Britain and many others would have went bankrupt in the most damaging of ways.

For those in power at the time there was no other choice !

[orchid1]

The Tories WILL win Labour has ruined the country practically made us BANKRUPT!!! so it will be left to the Tories to pick up the pieces !!!!

[Ivanhoe]

"New" Labour have continued right wing Tory policy since they came to power.  And we will be a bankrupt country when we stop sending billions overseas.

[Papaumau]

This is not a simple question and it will not be sorted out by simple answers and even if we do agree that it was Brown and his New-Labour cohorts that caused ALL of this, ( which I don't ), I am sure that if the Tories do get in  - and that is not a forgone conclusion yet as this could finish up as a co-alition government this time -  whoever it is that gets in, they are going to have an uphill task to get Britain back on it's feet.

IF...and that is a big "if", the Tories do get in and they can get us quickly out of the mire - which I doubt - it is THEY that are going to be able to spend the money that will come back into the treasury when the banks get back on a solid footing and they start to pay back all of those billions of pounds of taxpayers loans.

As I see it THAT would be the only reason for anybody to get into power at the next GE !

[Wrinkles]

Now there is a profound insight, "we will be a bankrupt country when we stop sending billions overseas".

That I assume is as opposed to if we were a bankrupt country we would be able to continue to send billions overseas.

Of course it will all be the fault of Mrs T and all the Tory governments before and since,  the Tories in opposition had a lot to do with it too, not to mention the Liberals, it's their fault also for not getting elected. Labour with their high principals, strong moral values and desire to look after the electorate were powerless due to the mess the Tories bequeathed them and the tidy ordered economy the Liberals should have left had they been elected.

Ivanhoe you talk so much rubbish at times, most of which is straight quotes from Labour Dogma and doctrine, I really do have trouble taking you seriously. You obviously sit there ensconced in your 1980's time warp gazing around through your rose tinted glasses under your Che Guevara beret oblivious of the fact that it is now 2009, the past is just that and you can not change it. The blame game is only good for a short while and then we have to look to the here and now. Labour, old, new or indifferent have had 12 years to rectify all those supposedly Tory wrongs. What have they have done zilch, what will they do zilch. They have just shown themselves for what they are, incompetent, self serving, double dealing, lying shysters which sadly does not set them apart from any of the other party's

[Ivanhoe]

As you wish.