Care for the Elderly

[Hugh]

A lot of discussion going on about this subject but what do you believe is the the best way to pay for it

[John]

Like previously.  Care for the Elderly is not new.

A life time contribution of high and taxes (using wrappers such as National Insurance etc).

Continuing increasing contribution on a local basis of Council Tax, Business Rates
plus many other charges rounded off with VAT.


We are being conned again!!!

[Papaumau]

Care for the elderly should be free and available at point of need just like the NHS is for the majority.

Remember we pay direct and stealth and insurance taxes all of our lives so that we can be looked after when we need it. That is what a welfare state is all about.

In my beautiful Scotland we already HAVE free personal care for the elderly and next year all prescription charges will be ended. ( This year they were reduced to £3.00 an item ).

Even with a minority SNP government we up here are much more civilised than you are down there.

Remember...A nation is measured of it's level of civilisation by how it treats it's old, it's sick, and it's weak.

The money is already there; it just needs to be prioritised !

( Oh and BTW.....do not whine about how much we up here get from the national pot via the Barnett Formula as there is no reason why England and Wales could not get the same size of a block grant for such needs if the government allowed it ).

[John]

England has little leadership unlike the others of the Union.

The people are just seen and treated as Tax Cows.

Its culture and outlook has been severely diluted by mass unskilled immigration,
or just free benefits for life immigration.

It must upset the skilled immigrant and the previously settled immigrants

to have experienced this Labour's Government open door and incompetence

in dealing with these matters.

[Hugh]

I guess our PM looking after his own and could not care less about us in England

[Papaumau]

Brown and the Labourites don't give a damn about Scotland !

Remember it was the Scottish Nationalist Party that kicked the Labour Party out of government up here.

[Ivanhoe]

  Care for the Elderly
« on: March 30, 2010, 02:53:22 PM »   

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//////A lot of discussion going on about this subject but what do you believe is the the best way to pay for it  /////

The State should pay.

[Hugh]

We all now know what Brown thinks about the elderly just hope who ever gets in keeps their promises but I wouldn't bank on it.

Interesting to see how well the SNP do in this election, or will the voters return to Labour??

[Ivanhoe]

If the voters return to Labour, they will have to go back to the 70's.

However the voters could put "New" Labour back into power, and "New" Labour are as left wing as Thatcher was.

[Papaumau]

  Care for the Elderly
« on: March 30, 2010, 02:53:22 PM »   

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//////A lot of discussion going on about this subject but what do you believe is the the best way to pay for it  /////

The State should pay.

And who pays for "the state" ?

Why... WE do !

[Ivanhoe]

///////And who pays for "the state" ?

Why... WE do ! //////

Of course.

And pensioners have paid their share of taxes and NI contributions all their working lives to warrent full State care.
 

 
 

[Hugh]

Our pensions would be a lot higher if they didn't tax us on money we have already been taxed on.

And with many welfare loafers with credits can end up with a pension much higher than a person who as save and as a small private pension. That is WRONG and should be stopped

[Ivanhoe]

////////Our pensions would be a lot higher if they didn't tax us on money we have already been taxed on.

And with many welfare loafers with credits can end up with a pension much higher than a person who as save and as a small private pension. That is WRONG and should be stopped //////

Your pensions would be a lot higher if the link with male average earnings was restored, as cut by the Thatcher government in 1980.

So you want to abolish the welfare State do you ?

 

[Hugh]

So you want to abolish the welfare State do you ?

I never said that, the injustice of a loafer ending up with a pension higher than some one who as paid into the system and saved is wrong. and should be stopped. The system at the moment just encourages loafers milking the welfare state for all its worth.   

[Ivanhoe]

/////The system at the moment just encourages loafers milking the welfare state for all its worth/////

Oh dear, how paranoid.

The system at the moment has been with us since Thatcher brought in the free market, ie since the 80's.

The free market needs the unemployed to control the economy.