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Papaumau

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About that National Insurance Fund surplus.......
« on: May 04, 2010, 11:14:23 AM »
Having had a look at the National Pensioners Convention website I found a press release that tells us more about the supposed National Insurance Fund surplus mentioned elsewhere on the site.

Find them here: http://www.npcuk.org/index.html

Here is the press release verbatim:

Politicians are misleading the public over National Insurance

Britain’s biggest pensioner organisation, the National Pensioners Convention (NPC), has criticised the three main political parties for misleading the public over the purpose of National Insurance.

Gordon Brown has claimed that the payments will be used for schools and police, whilst David Cameron has dubbed NI a tax on jobs. The NPC claims that neither are correct.

NPC research has revealed that for a number of years, politicians of all shades have been denying the very existence of the National Insurance Fund. Some claim it is simply an accounting tool; a notional fund that bears no relation to improving the state pension.

But the National Insurance scheme was established on 5 July 1948 to provide unemployment benefit, sickness benefit, retirement pensions and other benefits where individuals meet the contribution and other qualifying conditions, such as the annual Christmas Bonus.

In principle, the National Insurance Fund operates on a pay-as-you-go basis, the contributions received in each year being used to pay pensions and other benefits in the same year. In this respect it differs fundamentally from private pension funds, which need to build up reserves to cover their future liabilities.

The Government Actuary, who reports on the state of the Fund each year, also recommends that the Fund should also keep a balance to cover any unexpected short-fall in income of not less than two months’ benefit expenditure.

Currently, the Government Actuary reports that the Fund has a surplus balance of £54bn, which is expected to rise to £102bn in just a few years.

Dot Gibson, NPC general secretary said: “All the main political parties are misleading the public over the issue of National Insurance. NI is primarily collected to pay for pensions and contributory benefits. Only a very small proportion goes to the NHS and none of it is meant to be for education or the police. Pensioners are therefore understandably concerned that NI is being spent on everything but decent state pensions. The public need to know the truth about NI and none of the politicians are being honest about it. Raising NI would be popular if it was going to pay for higher state pensions rather than being used as a political football.”

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WELL...what do you guys n' gals think of THAT then ?
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Ivanhoe

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Re: About that National Insurance Fund surplus.......
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 02:45:22 PM »
Papaumau, It's another national disgrace.

Papaumau

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Re: About that National Insurance Fund surplus.......
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 11:57:01 AM »
Sure Is !
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Re: About that National Insurance Fund surplus.......
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 06:49:29 PM »
Papaumau, If this was happening in Europe, there would be riots.

It makes me ashamed to be British knowing that we are so docile.

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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2010, 12:29:01 PM »
Ahhhhh...The "British Disease" !

Maybe one day we will get a bit of backbone, stand up on the streets and fight for what we believe in.

That is the only way we are going to be treated fairly by government I think.

In the absence of any such revolution, maybe the influence of the Liberal Democrats will make positive changes here ? At least I hope so.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2010, 02:16:49 PM »
///one day///

That sums that up.

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Re: About that National Insurance Fund surplus.......
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 02:37:20 PM »
We are conditioned to be ripped off.

We only have protest on the streets over financial matters
when career freeloaders are asked to contribute something.

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Re: About that National Insurance Fund surplus.......
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 11:37:20 AM »
So I guess we all agree on this one then ?

That makes a nice change eh ?
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Re: About that National Insurance Fund surplus.......
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2010, 11:52:39 AM »
Papaumau

Many taxes are used as public purse money boxes. Road Tax is another example.

We agree on the rip-offs.




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Re: About that National Insurance Fund surplus.......
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2010, 12:08:55 PM »
Papaumau

Many taxes are used as public purse money boxes. Road Tax is another example.

We agree on the rip-offs.





European workers pay much higher income tax rates than we British do.   However European workers do not have our unjust local council tax system.

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 12:09:42 PM »
John....

The only way that ANY government will stop doing this is by ring-fencing taxes for specific uses. They will NEVER do that as they hate being tied down to anything !

This will apply to any minority Tory government too I think.
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2010, 12:13:10 PM »
None of them really have the competence to do this anyway.

Not that it would distract from getting as much tax off the electorate as possible.

Overtaxing covers waste and poor decision making.

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2010, 12:24:35 PM »
AGAIN... we agree !

We are going to have to stop doing that ! 8)
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2010, 12:28:42 PM »
None of them really have the competence to do this anyway.

Not that it would distract from getting as much tax off the electorate as possible.

Overtaxing covers waste and poor decision making.

It is a fact that a huge percentage of British people have an aversion to paying income tax, "they just dont like it", and this is one reason why Thatcher scored in the 80's, and due to coun cil tax increases, plus stealth taxes this past 13 years, we British believe we are over taxed, when we arent, we are under taxed.

And sadly the stealth taxes hit the poor harder than the rich.

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2010, 12:35:44 PM »
Sorry Ivanhoe...but I think that the Brits ARE overtaxed in general as there are many ways to skin THAT proverbial cat.

YES...we do have the lowest income taxes, ( direct taxes ), in modern Europe....BUT.... we are taxed in many more sneaky ways than that.

I think that you and the rest of us will find that any minority government that the Tories might form up in the future will just maintain the status-quo as far as this is concerned.
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