CON-DEM government to force the elderly into employment !

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Older people driven onto the jobs market by Con-Dem plans to slash their benefits will struggle to find this work because of ageism, campaigners warned yesterday.

Charity Age-UK, say: "750,000 older people currently on Incapacity Benefit will be hit by chancellor George Osborne's cuts in the next four years.

Director of Age-UK, Michelle Mitchell said: "Hundreds of thousands of them will risk coming up against the invisible wall of ageism. The government must lay the foundations of a better jobs market for older people".


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Of course I totally agree with the Age-UK findings here and I wonder where these jobs will come from even IF they were to be made more elderly-friendly ?

After all, in a restricted jobs market during this ongoing recession the young and the fit job-seekers are already having serious trouble trying to find work. What chance does that give the old and the sick to find this non-existent employment ?

Typical Toryism if you ask me !

What say you ?

[avalonmpk]

It was Gordon Brown who forced me back into employment for a short time because he stole my one fifth of my employment pension he did the same to 26,428,000 others Treasurey fact and now I suppose they will claim that this is not labour then who did the lefties vote for

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I think that he and the rest of the New-Labour mob have paid for their mistakes of the past.

NOW we are - if we are to be fair - going to have to scrutinise what the CON-DEM government do or don't do for us.

The last government and their foibles should be remembered but treated as water under the bridge.

Something tells me that in five years time you will be castigating the CON-DEM government just as you castigated the New-Labour regime a few weeks/months ago.

[avalonmpk]

They did not pay for their mistakes we did by the stealth taxes and what is more the next two generations will pay will still be paying every person in the country at present under the age of ten even at the current rates of interest will have to find in excess of £19,400 over the course of their working life - not to worry the socialists of ALL shades and description will do the usual thing create artificial inflation and devalue everything in the country.
What has surprised me is an obscure piece of research I was informed about (I'm trying to locate the reference point ) is that the best times for an ordinary skilled working man i.e. those who had served an apprenticeship were in fact better off financially under Coalition and Nationalist Governments lets hope that this is still thecase

[avalonmpk]

I think that he and the rest of the New-Labour mob have paid for their mistakes of the past.

NOW we are - if we are to be fair - going to have to scrutinise what the CON-DEM government do or don't do for us.

The last government and their foibles should be remembered but treated as water under the bridge.

Something tells me that in five years time you will be castigating the CON-DEM government just as you castigated the New-Labour regime a few weeks/months ago.

I don't  see the coalitions has any plans to steal my pension, I will castigate any political party that puts this country's future generations in to debt be fore they have even had the chance to vote.
As for Jobs - Which party encouraged immigration to do the jobs that they thought were beneath them and who is it that buys all the foreign rubbish which you all used to manufacture to a high standard and high reliability - where have our cotton mills gone; motor bikes, cars printers, televisions and electronic equipment and the worst lose of all - why did we not further the hovercraft, the only thing that we seem to have kept a little is Frank Whittles's baby! You have only yourselves blame Buy British! Produce British! and Be British! Stop whingeing get of your backsides and work for British people Free enterprise  works

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Avalonmpk......

I think that you would be well advised to do some wider reading as it seems that your hatred for anything that sounds or even looks like Socialism is clouding your judgement.

I have already admitted that the New-Labourites, ( in NO WAY can they be described as "Socialist" ), made a lot of mistakes in their last three terms of office and I reiterate that they paid for these mistakes at the ballot box. After all, that is what democracy is all about is it not ?

I am sure that over the next five years  - so long as you do not look at the CON-DEM government through rose-tinted glasses - you will see that they - as the real Tories and their Lib-Dem poodle-pals - will attack the working classes much harder than any way any true Labour government might have done in the past.

I think it is always a good thing to know where you stand in the great scheme of things and I am certain that as a working man I DO NOT stand with the Tories or anything that looks like them.

If YOU consider yourself to be a "working man"you cannot kid yourself on that the Tories care a jot for you and yours. To think that would be being naive in the extreme.

[avalonmpk]

No its fear, they have in my lifetime almost bankrupted this country three times and now we have their latest idea c/o Ed Balls : Nationalize all privately held property and bankrupt pensioners at least this crazy idea will be nipped in the bud by pensioners and all people who work  at the next election we shall be contesting some seats in what are considered areas where sensible people live Watch out for us we are Yeoman Republicans, we are the fastest growing political party in the world.
As I have said before Socialism The Art of spending some one Else's' money
Capitalism the Art of making money with some one Else's,
both in main are not much use at governing countries all they do is cause strife and pander to dimwits who have been brainwashed!

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If you had watched what Blair and his mob did in their time in charge you would have seen that rather than "nationalising" anything they privatised just about everything they could get their hands on.

That "fear" you have is well out of date and it should be replaced by the fear over what the Tories are now going to do for you, or TO YOU.

Sometimes it is good to get the feeling back that was felt just before the Tories were wiped out at Blair's first landslide victory.

Often we react instinctively rather than thoughtfully and I have always said that if I am going to look back at the quality of government I have to look back further than just the past dozen or so years.

[avalonmpk]

Papa You live in your socialist heaven get youselves into debt sing the bloody red flag (I use bloody as an accurate adjective as in Iraq and Afgahnistan) you drag everybody to the lowest common denominator and then blame it on somebody else. I prefer to live in a society where prudence, thrift and common sense prevails.
As for your comment about my reading:
Here's one for you, who said:
'A beacon amongst men does not live in his fellows purse nor covet his gold.'

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Avalonmpk.....

That is not discussing politics or it's strengths or weaknesses, that is sloganising.

People who are afraid of anything they don't understand usually do that so as to take a defensive stance and the "descriptions" that you have given above are not really descriptions at all, they are clichés.

People in the past that have closed minds are always liable to reproduce such clichés so as to support their uncompromising stances.

Every political bent has bad and good in it but I find that the ones that have made their minds up about any political stance will always produce the same old bad clichés when they want to vilify any view that disagrees with theirs.

Remember that I am NOT talking about Communism here, even if some people are unable to look at Socialism without seeing Communism.

My wish for the future is that some political force, ( maybe a modernised old Labour entity will come to the fore ), and afterwards we can get back to being truly SOCIAL with each-other.

If we are making quotations here, here is another: Thatcher once said that "there is no such thing as society" and that to me tells me all I want to know about the selfish attitudes of the Tories. That is one leopard that will NEVER change it's spots.
 

[avalonmpk]

Papa do not confuse facts with slogans LABOUR as voted in by LABOUR supporters Got us in to Illegal wars and the worst debt possible that is fact and its morally wrong and yet your comments still support them. t
The last three labour cabinates should be on trial at the Haig for the second greatest crime against humanity in my lifetime!
Lock the evil devils up and through away the key.
Did their children get sent to war ill equipped. Did they come home in boxes or crippled or maimed  just because some ignorant left wing politician wanted to bost his/her poll rating.


Visit Wootton Bassett.

You should hang your head in shame!

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It is obvious to me that either you do not understand the differences between Labour and New-Labour or that you do not want to try to examine the differences.

Blair's vision of "New-Labour" was designed to capture lost Tory votes and we have to give him credit for this design as he DID capture many thousands of disaffected Tories in both of his landslide victories.

The trouble with New-Labour was that it had to be some sort of ersatz Tory party to attract enough voters from the middle-right and it had to go on as it was originally designed to do. This meant that under Blair and latterly under Brown New-Labour did things that even Thatcher would have baulked at in the past.

Eventually the people saw just what New-Labour was all about and after a number of glaring mistakes along with a global recession they were destined to be destroyed by these floating voters.

What has been put in their place is just another version of Toryism with a very weak tack-on of Liberal Democratisation.

I fear that we are just going to get more of the same under Cameron as we did under Blair and that is no step forward as far as I can see it.

[avalonmpk]

I have just made some very thourough enquiries: There has never been any ballot paper in the UK with a candidate for New Labour face facts you are all the same for three elections labour won that's democracy, but when you get found out, nobody accepts the responsibility you got the country in this mess and then deny you had anything to do with it, I wonder which party you THOUGHT you were voting for.
You blame Bankers but where was the government regulation.
You say it is sloganising to criticise a government that sent our troops ill equipped into an illegal war because you used the money to buy votes.
#Where were all these so called champions of the working man when the Truk laws were repealed?
Oh! I forgot they were repealed to allow certain unions to scam the tax system:
Example:
A decent honest hard working man or woman gets an increase in wages say £100.
Income Tax                      £20.00
Nat Ins approx                £13.0
VAT                                  £17.50
Total                                £50.50 in taxation

Now take a UNITE Cabin crew  person
Travel perks                     £100
Tax Nil
How many cabin crew workers are there in the country enough  that over the past three parliaments to pay for the schools that have been axed.
If you are supplied with a vehicle by your employer and you get private use of it you pay tax why not if you get the use of an aircraft. Oh sorry  this is left wing politics fairness does not come into it , the biggest bully wins.
You not only support this sort of politics, you appear to support the misery inflicted on fellow working men by disrupting them and their holidays.
Claim they are underpaid not likely they have had more money in the last three years than I earned in my whole working life.

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I have just made some very thourough enquiries: There has never been any ballot paper in the UK with a candidate for New Labour face facts you are all the same for three elections labour won that's democracy, but when you get found out, nobody accepts the responsibility you got the country in this mess and then deny you had anything to do with it, I wonder which party you THOUGHT you were voting for.
You blame Bankers but where was the government regulation.
You say it is sloganising to criticise a government that sent our troops ill equipped into an illegal war because you used the money to buy votes.
#Where were all these so called champions of the working man when the Truk laws were repealed?
Oh! I forgot they were repealed to allow certain unions to scam the tax system:
Example:
A decent honest hard working man or woman gets an increase in wages say £100.
Income Tax                      £20.00
Nat Ins approx                £13.0
VAT                                  £17.50
Total                                £50.50 in taxation

Now take a UNITE Cabin crew  person
Travel perks                     £100
Tax Nil
How many cabin crew workers are there in the country enough  that over the past three parliaments to pay for the schools that have been axed.
If you are supplied with a vehicle by your employer and you get private use of it you pay tax why not if you get the use of an aircraft. Oh sorry  this is left wing politics fairness does not come into it , the biggest bully wins.
You not only support this sort of politics, you appear to support the misery inflicted on fellow working men by disrupting them and their holidays.
Claim they are underpaid not likely they have had more money in the last three years than I earned in my whole working life.

I will try to cover as many of your points as I can:

"New-Labour" was accepted by everyone who recognised what Blair was planning ! For the first period after the Tory wipe-out the term "New-Labour" was used regularly. As Blair and eventually Brown realised that the idea of New-Labour was becoming a derogator description of LABOUR they dropped the "New" part and instead went back to calling it LABOUR. This was part of the spin that Blair loved to use.

The banking regulations on BOTH sides of the pond were destroyed by Thatcher and Reagan and  afterwards the FSA was left toothless. I WILL agree that New-Labour did nothing to re-instate these protective powers.

The sending of our troops into an "illegal" war was AGAIN something that was done by Blair and his warmongering pals and now during the Chilcot enquiry even Two Jags indirectly said that the war was illegal. No argument there !

I said quite clearly that New-Labour has done the dirty on the demographic that they traditionally used to support and that is another reason why a move back to true Socialist values would be a good thing to do.

I think that maybe - as a working man - you should re-evaluate exactly what you are so hard against and then you would know that your Tory pals are actually your Tory enemies.

Of course this takes a modicum of unbiased and clearly-thought-out self-examination to get right.