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Papaumau

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« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2010, 12:41:41 PM »
Thanks Ivanhoe...You are going to have to join my fan-club. ;D
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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2010, 12:46:31 PM »
Papaumau, I already have.

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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2010, 06:36:26 PM »
Papa and his fan. So you both agree that all mines should have been kept open to save thousands of jobs producing coal which no ona wants at the tax payers exspense!!!!!!

If you produce goods no one wants then the business closes private or nationalised. That fact will never change.
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« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2010, 10:55:59 AM »
Scotland know VERY well that she killed off our heavy engineering, our shipbuilding, our steelworks and our mines and pits just so that she could show that she could do it.

What a load of rubbish it may have happened while she was in power and we are pretty good at blaming her. We priced our selves out of the market that was the reason. The cold war ended so there was no requirement for new war ships which would have been goverment contracts.

We have got to wake up to the fact we have to compete with  the rest of the world its nice to see the car industry showing the way. We have the skills and we can do it
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Papaumau

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« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2010, 11:17:28 AM »
I don't think that we priced ourselves out of the market, I think that "the market" was killed off by third world countries producing cheaper goods and services simply because they paid wages we could not compete with.

This syndrome showed itself right across the board where the likes of coal-mining, shipbuilding, steel production, food and clothing production were imported by us because they could produce these items much cheaper than we could. Many of these products, including heavy engineering, shipbuilding and coal production was heavily subsidised by the third-world governments is those countries. Rather than subsidise our industries so we could compete Thatcher and few others just let them die.

NOW we buy coal from Poland and China and Russia and we get our steel made in India and many of our our ships built in Germany and Italy.

Believe me, Hugh, Thatcher did not care a jot about the many thousands of families that were thrown onto the scrapheap as the Tories have always used unemployment as a crude and painful economy-adjusting tool.

By the time Cameron is finished with this country we are going to have seriously broken the three million unemployed record that Thatcher was infamous for in her halcion days.

It is obvious to anybody that watches that Cameron does not wanted to be tarred with the Thatcher brush after he slapped down his education secretary for suggesting that the free milk for under fives should be scrapped. All of us that DO remember, remember the "Maggie Thatcher milk-snatcher" slogans of the eighties.

No Hugh, that is one leopard that is not going to change it's spots any day soon ! 
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« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2010, 01:20:35 PM »
Private concerns are buying from a broad. Coal field workers were buying cars from abroad because they were cheaper than British made one's and then had the cheek to tell us we shouldn't buy cheap coal from a broad. 

With all your gloom this country is fighting back. Went out to buy a tumble dryer this morning expecting it to be made in china but surprisingly made in Britain and a nice peace of kit at the right price. Cars to Japan, Trainers to America and so on. I have faith in the workers of this country and look to a bright future rather than a strike torn past. Our country as started to make things without tax payer money. Time Thatcher and Blair were placed in the history books. Cameron now in charge we have to keep an open mind on how well he does. I agree and he knows unemployment will rise put public sector brains are needed to be moved into the private sector where they can create wealth rather than living off the tax payer. Public and private sectors are rather lob sided at the moment in the wrong direction
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« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2010, 01:39:08 PM »
Hugh, You are as politically naive as the day is long, ille say no more.

If there were a way of blocking your postings among all the others I receive, I would, but I can't', so ille just deleate them as they come through.

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« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2010, 04:33:47 PM »
Hugh, You are as politically naive as the day is long, ille say no more.

If there were a way of blocking your postings among all the others I receive, I would, but I can't', so ille just deleate them as they come through.

Do what you are best at agreeing with PAPA. But one thing for sure naive or not I am not going to lower my self to your level. Good bye
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« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2010, 04:53:01 PM »
Ivanhoe & Papa
The penny has just dropped, you almost convinced me to vote Tory - but why now after the election?
I believe that you both are part of the covert Tory campaign no socialist would ever come out with such outlandish comments - come on the pair of you own up...
I bet you both voted for Maggie and John Major.
I wish I had thought of this us Republicans need a boost to our membership in Britain.

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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2010, 11:45:07 AM »
As part of my memory-jogging exercise....Remember another quote that Thatcher was infamous for saying: "Unemployment is a price worth paying!"

Be certain-sure that today's Tories are still thinking like that and the acceptable face of Toryism that is David Cameron is a hand-up-the-jumper puppet for the Thatcherite grandees that are hiding in and controlling the "modern" Tory Party.

I KNOW what I stand for...do any of you, or are you just too busy looking after yourselves and your own to see what is happening all around you ?
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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2010, 12:02:02 PM »
As part of my memory-jogging exercise....Remember another quote that Thatcher was infamous for saying: "Unemployment is a price worth paying!"

Be certain-sure that today's Tories are still thinking like that and the acceptable face of Toryism that is David Cameron is a hand-up-the-jumper puppet for the Thatcherite grandees that are hiding in and controlling the "modern" Tory Party.

I KNOW what I stand for...do any of you, or are you just too busy looking after yourselves and your own to see what is happening all around you ?

Self interest rules Papaumau, you can bet your life on that one.

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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2010, 12:48:45 PM »
As part of my memory-jogging exercise....Remember another quote that Thatcher was infamous for saying: "Unemployment is a price worth paying!"

Be certain-sure that today's Tories are still thinking like that and the acceptable face of Toryism that is David Cameron is a hand-up-the-jumper puppet for the Thatcherite grandees that are hiding in and controlling the "modern" Tory Party.

I KNOW what I stand for...do any of you, or are you just too busy looking after yourselves and your own to see what is happening all around you ?

Ok I am not going to say any thing on this matter but I am going to ask you and Ivanhoe to but your heads to together and come up with a solution to the courtries problems. Public services who do a good job in places but do not add wealth to the country, and the private as sector have to cover the cost. At the moment we are very heavy on the side of the public sector, the question is how would you go about putting this right 
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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2010, 10:56:34 AM »
Hugh.....

There are many great experts on both sides of the right-left divide that have tried what they thought was correct to fix Britain's problems, so I don't think that either Ivanhoe or me - as economic lay-persons - could do much better than they have done.

I guess that what we are getting at here is....Where in the great scheme of political beliefs and standards is the correct philosophy for looking after the people of Britain that NEED looking after ?

As I - in particular - have studied these views and stances for most of my 66 years I have inevitably come to the conclusion that it is the political philosphies that care about the weak and the poor and the sick that matter to me and that using selfish and narrow and exclusive thought-processes are no way to do THAT job.

As I have already admitted....There is a strong self-deliverance motive amongst human beings but if we are to truly be HUMANE human beings we should try hard not to fall into that trap of self-interest and we should attempt to look at the needs of others rather than the needs of our own narrow requirements.

As I see it the Tories are, and have always been a "self-interest" party and if I want to find what I have spoken of many times before I have to go to a political bent that behaves in what can be measured as a "SOCIAL" manner.

Unlike Thatcher and her cronies of old and modern times I DO believe that there IS a "society" in Britain and it will only be when this society comes together for the betterment of all that the main problems associated with Britain will get fixed. 
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Re: hypocritcal grabbing pensioners
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2011, 02:54:02 PM »
Forget this Previouse rude interruption.
Is money grabbing pensioner a term that should be championed by Vince Cable?
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Re: hypocritcal grabbing pensioners
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2011, 03:01:03 PM »
Ok I am not going to say any thing on this matter but I am going to ask you and Ivanhoe to but your heads to together and come up with a solution to the courtries problems. Public services who do a good job in places but do not add wealth to the country, and the private as sector have to cover the cost. At the moment we are very heavy on the side of the public sector, the question is how would you go about putting this right 

Hi there.  Re-nationalise all Britain's Utilities, bring them back into public ownership, and take them away from private interests.

Including the railways.