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This article was first printed by Neil Clark in The Post 2009.
« on: November 10, 2010, 12:01:07 PM »
Friday, May 01, 2009
Don't believe the myth- Margaret Thatcher ruined egalitarian 1970s Britain

This piece of mine appears in the First Post.

Monday, May 4 marks the 30th anniversary of arguably the most significant event in post-war British politics: the coming to power of Margaret Thatcher.

The dominant narrative - accepted even by many who consider themselves to be on the left - is that Britain's economy in the 1970s was in such dire straits that our country urgently needed a change of direction.

Britain, in this account, was the 'Sick Man of Europe'. The unions and inflation were out of control. Our inefficient nationalised industries were an expensive disaster. The Labour governments of 1974-79 were complete flops. The post-war mixed economy model had failed.

But this narrative is a myth.

It's true that inflation hit 27 per cent in 1975, but this was largely a consequence of the Yom Kippur War oil price shock, which saw oil prices quadruple, and not a sign that the mixed economy model had collapsed.

By 1978, the British economy was rapidly improving. Inflation was down to single figures and unemployment was falling too. Productivity was rising, including in the nationalised industries. North sea oil revenues were starting to transform the balance of payments, which showed a surplus of £109m in 1977. And in December 1978 Britain recorded a massive trade surplus of £246m

During 1978, Britain's standard of living rose by 6.4 per cent to reach its highest ever level: so much for the 'Sick Man of Europe'.

"The outlook for Britain is better than at any time in the postwar years," was the verdict, not of a Labour party propagandist, but of Chase Manhattan bank's chief European economist, Geoffrey Maynard.

Bernard Nossiter, a Washington Post journalist, argued in his 1978 book Britain- the Future that Works, that Britain, unlike the US, had created a contented society that had managed to get the balance right between work, leisure and remuneration.

Far from having had enough of Labour and the post-war consensus, opinion polls show that the party would have won a General Election, had Prime Minister James Callaghan called one, as expected, for October 1978.

The so-called 'Winter of Discontent' of 1979 - which ushered in Thatcherism - is also shrouded in myth. James Callaghan never said 'Crisis, what crisis' - that was an invention of The Sun. The strikes themselves only lasted for a comparatively short period and were largely over by February 1979.

One might ask why all this matters. It does, because if we are going to break with neoliberalism, we need to shatter the myths put forward by Thatcherite ideologues. We need to understand the truth which was that the British economy performed far better 30 years ago than is commonly believed. The mixed economy model didn't fail. We were no more in need of Mrs Thatcher's 'painful medicine', than someone suffering from a common cold needs a course of chemotherapy.

Acknowledging the truth about the 1970s is important, because it means that we can then return to an economic model that served the great majority of Britons extraordinarily well for over 30 years after World War Two. It was a model under which large sections of the economy - including transport, energy and most major industries - were in public ownership; capitalism was strictly regulated and made to work for the common good and manufacturing was regarded as more important than finance.

In no other period in British history was there such a rapid rise in living standards. The gap between rich and poor was significantly reduced. As the One Nation Tory Harold Macmillan, one of the architects of the post-war consensus, famously declared, we never had it so good.

Since 1979 we have followed a very different economic path: one of deregulation, privatisation and allowing 'market forces' to rule the roost. And we all know where that has led us.
Posted by Neil Clark at 15:16

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Re: This article was first printed by Neil Clark in The Post 2009.
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 03:23:53 PM »
Though Thatcher's policies might not have been good for this individual person or another, overall Britain should thank her for saving Britain from becoming an economic basket case/socialist welfare state such as Germany and France have become.

About the mining industry, most of those had to be heavily subsidised to keep them open and there comes a point when the subsidies you put in are no longer worth it and that's where you stop doing that.

Her only fault was not withdrawing Britain from the EU, which continued to destroy agricultural and fisheries communities as it pleased.

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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 04:19:49 PM »
I do love to converse with such an Articulate person as yourself  

Oscar Wilde was nothing  compared with you  ;D



As Oscar would have said about your Maggie Thatcher fixation .....

Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.   ::)
   
    Oscar Wilde
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 11:03:35 AM »
Oscar Wilde is a favourite of mine.

And Thatcher started everythiung wrong in Britain today.

The trouble with Tory's and Thatcher supports in general, is that they havent the guts to admit it.


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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2010, 11:58:44 AM »
Who was it that said , we don't need these kind of mundane low skilled call centre jobs in Britain I am quite happy for them to go to India.

Was it Maggie???????????????

Was it Dave???????????????????

Was it Nick???????????????????

Was it a Tory MP????????????????

Was it a Greedy Banker?????????????
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NO it was Labours Patricia Hewit, when she was either business or employment secretary.

 ???

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2010, 12:25:46 PM »
//////Who was it that said , we don't need these kind of mundane low skilled call centre jobs in Britain I am quite happy for them to go to India.//////

And who was it that introduced low waged, unskilled jobs to Britain in the first place ?.  Thatcher.

Who was it that threw millions on the unemployement scrap heap during the 80 and 90's ?.  Thatcher.

Who was it that broke the state pensionbs link with national average earnings in 1980 ?.  Thatcher

Who was it that stopped building council houses for those who could not afford to buy ? . Thatcher.


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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2010, 01:53:47 PM »
And if we are going to be quoting quotes....Who was it that said 3 million unemployed was "a price worth paying" ?
 
Why, it was our Maggie !

Yes, I am quoting Margaret Thatcher...... She said this when our unemployment was at its highest rate since the great depression and she refused to deploy reflationary measures.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2010, 02:40:32 PM »
Well , I was in a playful mood this morning when I made my post this morning !
Would I get the replies that I expected ..... Yep ! .Exactly as I predicted.

Thatcher said this and Thatcher said that ! ........ ::) ::)

Ivanhoe ....change the record  ;D

Papa .......... Rose coloured glasses , filters , Right wingers etc .   Play it again Sam !  ;D
                     What about Left whingers ?  Just as guilty of being WRONG as the rest of us ?
                    I will read your post with respect for your point of view ( Doesn't mean that it is right but it is your point of view )
                     

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2010, 01:42:11 PM »
All points of view are valid but they become invalid if people are unable to see the point.

So long as we are speaking truth I can see no reason for attempting to sweep bad things that have happened in the past - under the carpet.

Politicians are expert at this and that is why we take what they do and say with a regular large pinch of salt.

I would like to think that we are better than that !
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2010, 07:16:34 PM »
//////I would like to think that we are better than that !//////

No, some people arent.

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2010, 08:07:43 PM »
Mr One liner .said .. ....          ..No, some people arent.


so here is one in return .....   

A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood. (Chinese proverb)  ::)

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2010, 08:18:08 PM »
The closed minds in this country are the Tory party.

They still live in the dark ages of wage exploitation, and workers hardship.

Cameron is getting away with what he is doing thanks to Nick Clegg.

It is hoped that Nick Clegg will jump ship sooner rather than later.

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2010, 12:58:08 PM »
Trying hard not to be partisan here - WHO, ME ?  ::) - I do think that the number of times that Clegg has had to swallow his pride and his principles recently, I would not be surprised if the coalition fails to see the year out.

Clegg and his Lib Dem sellouts are having a terrible time of it just now seeing that Cameron is swanning off all over the world to meetings in China and with the G20.

If Clegg is a principled man, ( and I think he is ), then he will not be able to do what he is doing at the moment, AND hold his head up, for much longer.

I will make a prediction shall I ?

In May of next year the Scottish people will go to the polls and I suspect that they will take that chance to show their disgust at what is happening in the Con-Dem coalition by wiping out the Liberal Democrats in Scotland. They have done it already with the Tories and now it is going to be the turn of the Lib Dems up here to feel the wrath of the Scottish people.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2010, 05:13:27 PM »
//////I will make a prediction shall I ?

In May of next year the Scottish people will go to the polls and I suspect that they will take that chance to show their disgust at what is happening in the Con-Dem coalition by wiping out the Liberal Democrats in Scotland. They have done it already with the Tories and now it is going to be the turn of the Lib Dems up here to feel the wrath of the Scottish people. ///////////

I bloody well hope so.
 
 
 

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2010, 06:07:04 PM »
Papa said ....
In May of next year the Scottish people will go to the polls and I suspect that they will take that chance to show their disgust at what is happening in the Con-Dem coalition by wiping out the Liberal Democrats in Scotland. They have done it already with the Tories and now it is going to be the turn of the Lib Dems up here to feel the wrath of the Scottish people.

Crikey!... what ever next .... I find myself in agreement with you  ;D

But
For how long will English constituencies and English Honourable members tolerate ... at least 119 Honourable Members from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland exercising an important, and probably often decisive, effect on English politics while they themselves have no say in the same matters in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland?