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Michaelt

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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #15 on: Apr 09, 2019, 03:58:34 PM »
The media on behalf of the Tory Government use benefit scroungers as a means to get votes off tiny minded people who hate the idea that some people are getting something they cant have.  Its vote winning opportunism.  And it works in Britain.

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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #16 on: Apr 10, 2019, 12:07:48 PM »
but in France, I believe Pension means wages.. ;D ... but I am often wrong...allegedly
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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #17 on: Apr 10, 2019, 12:09:40 PM »
I thought it was a B&B...
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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #18 on: Apr 10, 2019, 12:18:58 PM »
no mate that's a gun.. ;D
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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #19 on: Apr 10, 2019, 07:54:22 PM »
I dont approve of benefit fraud but there are so many malicious snitches.


I loath snitches. They are often people with a personality problem and less concerned with the "public good" than petty spite and ingratiating themselves with those in authority.


This happened to some friends of mine in my native Liverpool. The lady (I will call her Sue but not hear real name) was hurt in an accident and ended on high level DLA. She could only stand for a few minutes and walk a few steps without severe pain. Sue could no longer tend her much loved garden and became very depressed.


Her husband and several neighbours spent weeks putting in raised flower beds so she could sit and do a little gardening in her chair. Neighbours donated timber, bricks, labour etc and they also put in a greenhouse with raised beds so she could sit there on wet days. Her specialist knew about it and approved as it revived her interest in life.


A bad neighbour snitched to the DWP and they got one of those nasty letters to go for an interview. The interviewer said they had a report her condition has improved and she was now able to do "heavy" work like gardening. They had taken letters from her specialist and the husband got out his phone, accessed Facebook where the history of the build was shown with Sue gardening from her chair. The interviewer said he was dismissing the allegation as malicious and some hints he gave enabled them to guess at once who the grasser was.

They had only one bad neighbour who had repeatedly parked his van across their dropped kerb and became abusive when politely reminded it was illegal. They had to call the police to warn him and it was evident he had grassed Sue up in revenge.


On their return the couple took no direct action against the snitch but word spread through the street that there was a grasser in their midst. The snitch and his family were targeted. SNITCH and GRASSER were spray painted on his house, car, etc. His car and that of his wife was repeatedly vandalised. Urine and poo were put through the letter box and smeared on their door. Even the kids were bullied (Your dads a grasser) and no one would play with them.


One night a brick with a death threat came through their window. Of course the police were brought in but could make no headway because no one had "seen" or "heard" anything. Another neighbour who had CCTV had recently re-located his cameras in another direction. There was no direct evidence against anyone.


Im sure you get the picture.

In the end the snitch and his family moved away.

Liverpool people can have hearts of gold when it comes to taking care of their own. They also know how to treat suspected snitches.
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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #20 on: Apr 10, 2019, 08:58:11 PM »
Sorry, but I see no earthly reason why his whole family, especially the kids, were so horribly treated in retaliation for a spiteful act of his that actually led to nothing. They were innocent and were abused and driven out of their home. That's not justice it's vigilantism.
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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #21 on: Apr 10, 2019, 09:09:47 PM »
I dont approve of any injustice.


The trouble is that benefit fraud is used by the Government as a means to get votes from tiny minded people who ring them up.


The Tories and right wing press have turned us against against each other because it suits their agenda to get power and keep power.

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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #22 on: Apr 10, 2019, 10:03:09 PM »
One of the most powerful ways of hurting someone is to punish the innocent along with the guilty. The guiltly person may be a "hard nut" but when they have to deal with their family being blamed for their wrongdoing it may teach them a valuable lesson. In this case to mind their own business and not make mischief.


You say no harm was done to the couple. Wrong. These letters are very badly worded and make people think they are being called to an interview under caution and suspected of fraud. They cause a lot of stress and worry in the days leading upto the interview. People who have done no wrong and have actually reported changes in circumstances are made to feel stressed and guilty or even suicidal and all because of a vindictive snitch.

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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #23 on: Apr 10, 2019, 10:11:01 PM »
Sorry, but I see no earthly reason why his whole family, especially the kids, were so horribly treated in retaliation for a spiteful act of his that actually led to nothing. They were innocent and were abused and driven out of their home. That's not justice it's vigilantism.



100%.  Add to that they only thought they knew.  What an awful way to behave.
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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #24 on: Apr 10, 2019, 10:11:29 PM »
I dont approve of any injustice.


The trouble is that benefit fraud is used by the Government as a means to get votes from tiny minded people who ring them up.


The Tories and right wing press have turned us against against each other because it suits their agenda to get power and keep power.



May was at it again in PMQ's about getting people back in to work.  It seems she and her government only know the beat them up and threaten them. What of improving people's lives.  How about thinking about making it possible for them to work rather than adding to the stress and the chaos.  I despair of all the cruelty.
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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #25 on: Apr 10, 2019, 10:18:20 PM »
I understand your view but it doesn't bear logical examination. Hurting the innocent to punish the guilty merely induces hate in the punished for the injustice. A wise man once said "Punish the innocent and a criminal is born."...And it wasn't me.
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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #26 on: Apr 11, 2019, 12:14:45 AM »
These snitch lines were introduced with the same mentality as programs like "Benefit St" mentioned earlier in this thread. They are intended to introduce a "divide and rule" mentality in lower class communities where some people (usually not very bright) are slogging away in s**t jobs for s**t wages and they see others on benefits. Mostly they have no comprehension of why that person has a disability scooter or car or why they get ESA or UB. Its just jealousy and resentment because that person is (apparently) getting something for nothing.

Personally I would not allow anonymous tip offs. Either you give your contact details or you put up and shut up. Then if the accusation turns out to be unfounded you risk a prosecution for harassment from the person you accused or the organization whose time you wasted.
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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #27 on: Apr 11, 2019, 12:55:43 AM »
And I don't disagree. People should not be doing the jobs of absent-through-cuts civil servants and fraud investigators. Turning the people on each other belongs to the different way of thinking that has dominated a large part of the last nine years of government thinking on reducing the monies spent on those less fortunate.
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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #28 on: Apr 11, 2019, 08:53:11 AM »
Well said biglouis, Your absolutely spot on.   People are so bloody stupid it beggars belief.

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Re: Telling people how to spend their benefits
« Reply #29 on: Apr 11, 2019, 12:34:36 PM »
I once sent a Subject Access Request to an organization and accidentally found a letter with the name of someone who had snitched on me many years ago. At the time it had caused me a lot of hassle. At the time I thought that person was my friend.

There are far more  effective and subtle ways of punishing a snitch than spraying their house, vandalising their car, etc. When you use psychological payback methods the intended victim lives their life constantly waiting for the "next shoe" to drop. Drip, drip, drip. One thing after another goes wrong for them.


Revenge is a dish that definitely tastes better cold. :D :D :D

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