Bodies found in container lorry

[Michael Rolls]

I think that Diasi was talking about the concept of responsibility. Can that lorry driver prove he was unaware of his cargo? How can he defend (this is assuming without any evidence that he is innocent) against the claim that he should have checked his cargo?
Mike

[Ashy]

If it was a shipping container the driver's responsibility should end at the door, and the securing dogs. That was the whole idea of containerisation.

[Jacqueline]

It shouldn't be the lorry drivers responsibility of he picks up a locked container.  Heard a few different versions but didn't he pick up the lorry for a short journey?  Hardly his fault, and I also heard the people had probably been dead for a long time.


 I expect you have all seem the news items, where the lorry drivers were running the gauntlet of young fit men trying to jump on their lorries in Calais.  I've heard stories of the drivers threatened with knives when they got out and challenged them, who would get out of their cab in these circumstances.  Can't they use Thermal imaging to check lorries as they get onto a ferry?


As I said before the only way to break the cycle is to send back all illegals.  Anyone caught housing or employing them should go to jail. Diasi is right, the liberal dogooders are not helping these people at all. 


I do wonder how many of them, when they see what this country is like and the lives their status here forced them to live, wish they hadn't come.  Their families debt and losing face would stop them trying to go home. I'm sure It's not  the life that the traffickers promised.


 

[Diasi]

I was talking about illegal immigrants.. not drugs.

It matters not what the cargo is.

If a self-employed lorry driver hitches up to a sealed refrigerated container why on earth should he be expected to search it.

He'd still be arrested if it was 39 tons of drugs in the container instead of 39 people.

The containers are security sealed & can only be unsealed by the customs or police.

If the driver breaks the seal, the entire load can be rejected, especially if it's food which is reasonable for a fridge unit to contain.

It would have been easy for the forklift guy to load a couple a illegals into my van, hidden in a wooden crate.

[Diasi]

It shouldn't be the lorry drivers responsibility of he picks up a locked container.  Heard a few different versions but didn't he pick up the lorry for a short journey?  Hardly his fault, and I also heard the people had probably been dead for a long time.

Yes, the container was driven to Zeebrugge by another lorry & loaded & offloaded from the ferry by tugs.

The guy under arrest then picked up the container & drove it 4 miles to where it was found.

A journey of around 10 minutes.

[digitalis]

In any crime the first to pay is the sap: the fall guy. Those at the top will only voice their ambitions in guarded and legal terms. The fall-guys are the ones usually who take the rap. Thus the monied and 'educated' will be benefitting from the crime but x12 removed from it. Thus we have,say,some illegal invasion that benefits arms manufacturers,oil conglomerates or some such. The case is made for invasion but should there be any blow-back the saps pick up the bill with lost limbs or lives or with lawsuits made against them for using unnecessary force. Its a win-win for the legals and Top Table Top Hats. The commonfolk pick up the dirt.

As here with immigration: low life get their asses kicked by having their jobs taken from them by undercutting immigrants. They also get to have to live in overcrowded neighbourhoods and such like. Meanwhile the legals and the owners of biz get to make more dosh by altercations and/or better profits. Westminster bubble and BBC journos thrive on this sort-o-thing. Also makes crime-infested over-crowded neighbourhoods a voyeuristic porno priapric turn-on sorta turn-on
sorta thing. Better than Viagra. You sorta go slummin'!

Common folk sorta stink anyways. Ask Emily Thonberry: she hates the sorta folk who vote for her.

HRH(?)Dianne Abbot says all the world should be welcome to stay,work and live here. There! Now need for sealed container lorries hiding folk. They can all come across on Townsend ferries.

[stellamaris]

My instincts [which are extremely fallible I know] are that the lorry driver knew exactly what he was doing and had done it before. The organizers don't just hire anyone to finish off the journey.  Trafficking rings are apparently not unknown in Ireland - both parts.   It seems the lorry was parked at a known destination for unloading illegal immigrants.  There is also something suspicious about the lorry being registered or something in another country and never made a appearance there after that.  We will not know any details for a while.  The police were probably trying to get more information out of him, and who knows what he has confessed to.   The driver might be a very small cog in the wheel but he's the only one they've got in this country.   What I am curious about is who discovered they were dead - has that been published yet?  And do these people who pick up refrigerated containers just park and leave them and their wagon together or are they unloaded somewhere and he takes his lorry away empty?


Too many unanswered questions yet to take sides.  But nevertheless being judgemental, I am veering to the side of guilty.

[Audrine]

Great thread ST. A very good explanation. I am sure the pick up driver was paid a large sum & has done it before.
 How do all these illegals find work & claim benefits without a visa
 or some authorization?
I heard there are thousands of  them * even more of children born in
England from illegal parents.Audrine


So sad of what has happened to my country although not good politics over here either.

[Alex22]

The lorry drivers can't win imo, a driver was fined by immigration officials at Dover shortly after arriving from Germany with a cargo of railway sleepers.  He'd left the ferry terminal when he heard voices in the back of his 38-ton lorry so he returned to the docks to report his suspicions.    The police examined his trailer and found six illegals hiding among the sleepers.    Immigration officials responded by imposing a fine of £2,000 for each person, with the threat of impounding his vehicle unless it was paid.    He's said if it happens again, he'll just park up somewhere quiet, unlock the doors and go for a cuppa and who could blame him !

[Michael Rolls]

Yes, don't know if it was the same case, but I read of something very similar a while back - damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of thing.
Mike

[Diasi]

The lorry drivers can't win imo, a driver was fined by immigration officials at Dover shortly after arriving from Germany with a cargo of railway sleepers.  He'd left the ferry terminal when he heard voices in the back of his 38-ton lorry so he returned to the docks to report his suspicions.    The police examined his trailer and found six illegals hiding among the sleepers.    Immigration officials responded by imposing a fine of £2,000 for each person, with the threat of impounding his vehicle unless it was paid.    He's said if it happens again, he'll just park up somewhere quiet, unlock the doors and go for a cuppa and who could blame him !

New Labour's David Blunkett introduced the fines for lorry drivers, which shifted the responsibility away from the Home Office Immigration officials.

[Goingtoseed]

Yes, the container was driven to Zeebrugge by another lorry & loaded & offloaded from the ferry by tugs.

The guy under arrest then picked up the container & drove it 4 miles to where it was found.

A journey of around 10 minutes.

Looking at the lorry in detail it is not a container but simply a refrigerated trailer.
As you say 'tugs' move these trailers around at the ports. Once off loaded it was then picked up by a tractor unit and moved for about 4 miles into the trading estate. Strange really that the driver was the one to telephone for an ambulance after presumably checking the contents of the trailer in the trading estate.
I feel that he was deeply involved in this - why would he travel all of the way from Ireland via Holyhead with his unit and then drive down to the port. He knew that the load was iffy and had people on board but when he checked on the load he had the fright of his life.

If it was a legit collection and drop off I would have contracted a local firm in the area to collect the trailer and take it to its destination. A much cheaper alternative.

[Raven]

It all seems weird to me, but then a lot of things do. 

[Ode Iron]

Over here in Eire ..poor girls are trafficked from one Massage Parlour or Brothel to another.
They move these girls every 3 weeks to new venues.
TV3 exposed this with covert filming last year. Bosnian boss was nabbed...thousands of euro on him...and his posh house and merc...he was later released...
Oh! forgot to mention...his 17 weeks dole and Housing Benefit was reimbursed to him whilst investigations were taking place.
Seems snowflakes don't melt in Ireland either. The Gardai Vice Squad here are laughable...probably getting freebies...or a cut!

[mick607]

Sounds about right OI.