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Bee

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Re: Autistic Child
« Reply #15 on: Nov 01, 2019, 11:17:58 PM »
It seems to me that only Butterpuff...........Hugh...and myself have any compassion and feelings for this young girl and her father.....


I will try with another link as I don't believe the other links I posted were read.......


Mental health legislation must be overhauled to stop the “horrific” and inappropriate detention of young people with autism or learning disabilities, MPs have said.
The human rights of many young people are being breached in mental health hospitals, causing their lives to be “needlessly blighted” and their families to suffer, a new report found.
Parliament’s Joint Committee on Human Rights said it has “lost confidence that the system is doing what it says it is doing and the regulator’s method of checking is not working”.
It is calling for the criteria for detention under the Mental Health Act to be narrowed to protect people from the “horrific reality” of conditions and treatment.
The committee launched an inquiry in January into the often long-term detention of young people with learning disabilities or autism.
It said it has no confidence in the Government’s target to reduce the numbers of people with these conditions in mental health facilities.
In relation to the Care Quality Commission, it said that “a regulator which gets it wrong is worse than no regulator at all”, after it failed to detect potential human rights abuses at Whorlton Hall and other hospitals.
he committee laid out a “predictable” pathway to detention in which a child’s condition worsens, their under-supported family struggles to cope and they are then are taken away.
Isolated and without familiarity, their condition further deteriorates, plans to return home are shelved and concerned parents are treated with hostility.Children hurt and drugged[Some parents are excluded from decisions around their child, while others told the inquiry they had been “gagged” from speaking out.
One mother said her son, whose arm was snapped after being wrenched up behind his back, had to wait 24 hours before being taken to A&E.
Another parent described how their son, kept in seclusion for hours at a time, would bite the wood in the doorframe “out of desperation”.
Some young people are not receiving appropriate medical treatment but are subject to physical and medical restraint, such as psychotropic medication, which is intended for those with a serious mental health illness, the committee said.


Full article here, you may learn something......



https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/mps-have-no-confidence-government-tackling-horrific-detention-and-abuse-of-kids-with-autism-and-learning-disabilities/01/11/?fbclid=IwAR26E3WZCMjP2xSIZLMcvvDBWLWW6SljwH1KMoJ8Pcrm1mkWFrxM4L6JNT0
« Last Edit: Nov 01, 2019, 11:21:40 PM by Bee »
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Re: Autistic Child
« Reply #16 on: Nov 01, 2019, 11:22:28 PM »
I know of a couple who had two autistic boys.  They were devoted parents and had to give up their jobs to look after them.  They were very disruptive and kept the neighbours awake as they hardly ever slept and were very noisy.  The couple decided to move to a remote house in Wales.  They were a harm to themselves and their bedrooms had to be like padded cells with  locked doors for their own safety.  The doors could be remotely unlocked in case of emergency, like a fire. 
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Re: Autistic Child
« Reply #17 on: Nov 02, 2019, 12:33:02 AM »
It seems to me that only Butterpuff...........Hugh...and myself have any compassion and feelings for this young girl and her father.....


I will try with another link as I don't believe the other links I posted were read.......


Mental health legislation must be overhauled to stop the “horrific” and inappropriate detention of young people with autism or learning disabilities, MPs have said.
The human rights of many young people are being breached in mental health hospitals, causing their lives to be “needlessly blighted” and their families to suffer, a new report found.
Parliament’s Joint Committee on Human Rights said it has “lost confidence that the system is doing what it says it is doing and the regulator’s method of checking is not working”.
It is calling for the criteria for detention under the Mental Health Act to be narrowed to protect people from the “horrific reality” of conditions and treatment.
The committee launched an inquiry in January into the often long-term detention of young people with learning disabilities or autism.
It said it has no confidence in the Government’s target to reduce the numbers of people with these conditions in mental health facilities.
In relation to the Care Quality Commission, it said that “a regulator which gets it wrong is worse than no regulator at all”, after it failed to detect potential human rights abuses at Whorlton Hall and other hospitals.
he committee laid out a “predictable” pathway to detention in which a child’s condition worsens, their under-supported family struggles to cope and they are then are taken away.
Isolated and without familiarity, their condition further deteriorates, plans to return home are shelved and concerned parents are treated with hostility.Children hurt and drugged[Some parents are excluded from decisions around their child, while others told the inquiry they had been “gagged” from speaking out.
One mother said her son, whose arm was snapped after being wrenched up behind his back, had to wait 24 hours before being taken to A&E.
Another parent described how their son, kept in seclusion for hours at a time, would bite the wood in the doorframe “out of desperation”.
Some young people are not receiving appropriate medical treatment but are subject to physical and medical restraint, such as psychotropic medication, which is intended for those with a serious mental health illness, the committee said.


Full article here, you may learn something......



https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/mps-have-no-confidence-government-tackling-horrific-detention-and-abuse-of-kids-with-autism-and-learning-disabilities/01/11/?fbclid=IwAR26E3WZCMjP2xSIZLMcvvDBWLWW6SljwH1KMoJ8Pcrm1mkWFrxM4L6JNT0


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Re: Autistic Child
« Reply #18 on: Nov 02, 2019, 12:49:39 AM »
well it certainly doesn't seem to me that the way that child is treated is helping in any way, it's barbaric

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Re: Autistic Child
« Reply #19 on: Nov 02, 2019, 12:58:17 AM »
well it certainly doesn't seem to me that the way that child is treated is helping in any way, it's barbaric


  Yes. And what do you think should be done about it? (That isn't already being done if you believe the lies told by successive Health Ministers.)
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Re: Autistic Child
« Reply #20 on: Nov 02, 2019, 05:31:53 AM »

  You should've worked in mental health as long as I did. YOU might've learned something. It's not sympathy that's needed, it's resources!!


So having no resources is that an excuse for the way patients were treated by staff at Whorlton Hall and other hospitals ::) ::) 


Is having no resources just an excuse for treating that young girl and her father inhumanely. ::) ::)


There are resources out there if different areas used them correctly and fortunately in the area I live in they are used correctly.


In the case that minniemouse has mentioned I can't help wondering if the couple spoke of actually sought help for the two boys............my great grandaughter was very similar when it came to sleeping, there would be a lot of shouting and screaming and aggressiveness and not going to sleep until the early hours and her mother made an appointment with the pediatrician for help with this problem but she also recorded her daughter so the pediatrician could hear for himself what her daughter was like and he prescribed melatonin tablets to calm her down and help with the sleep,, gradually the dose had to be increased until they got it just right .........my great grandaugheter has melt downs and it is a case of how to deal with it she also has meltdowns at the main stream school she goes to but because my area uses their resources correctly the education authority here allows the school extra money to pay for a SENCO to help with children such as my great grandaughter, there is no question of her going to a special needs school or locked away inhumanely.
« Last Edit: Nov 02, 2019, 05:54:59 AM by Bee »
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Re: Autistic Child
« Reply #21 on: Nov 02, 2019, 05:34:53 AM »
well it certainly doesn't seem to me that the way that child is treated is helping in any way, it's barbaric


I completely agree with you Butterpuff.
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Re: Autistic Child
« Reply #22 on: Nov 02, 2019, 06:08:30 AM »
Is resources an excuse ? Not  only an excuse, also the reason.

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Look after everybody.
Money and reality provides the constrained reality.

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Re: Autistic Child
« Reply #23 on: Nov 02, 2019, 06:28:48 AM »

So having no resources is that an excuse for the way patients were treated by staff at Whorlton Hall and other hospitals ::) ::) 

Is having no resources just an excuse for treating that young girl and her father inhumanely. ::) ::)

There are resources out there if different areas used them correctly and fortunately in the area I live in they are used correctly.

In the case that minniemouse has mentioned I can't help wondering if the couple spoke of actually sought help for the two boys............my great grandaughter was very similar when it came to sleeping, there would be a lot of shouting and screaming and aggressiveness and not going to sleep until the early hours and her mother made an appointment with the pediatrician for help with this problem but she also recorded her daughter so the pediatrician could hear for himself what her daughter was like and he prescribed melatonin tablets to calm her down and help with the sleep,, gradually the dose had to be increased until they got it just right .........my great grandaugheter has melt downs and it is a case of how to deal with it she also has meltdowns at the main stream school she goes to but because my area uses their resources correctly the education authority here allows the school extra money to pay for a SENCO to help with children such as my great grandaughter, there is no question of her going to a special needs school or locked away inhumanely.

I fully understand your unwavering support for your granddaughter but I'm putting myself in the place of the other parents & pupils for this question.

Do her meltdowns at school involve her aggressive behaviour & do they cause disruption & distress for all the other normal pupils & does the school just expect the pupils & their parents to accept such behaviour?

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Re: Autistic Child
« Reply #24 on: Nov 02, 2019, 07:20:25 AM »
To answer your question Phil, at the school my great grandaughter attends there are 3-4 other pupils with special needs and if she has a meltdown in the classroom the SENCO helper will remove her from the classroom and sit her in a quiet place until she has calmed down, all the pupils and parents are fully understanding with no complaints and it doesn't affect the other pupils education, one of her best friends at school has a younger brother with autism so she fully understands my great grandaughter and is very helpful towards her.


From time to time pupils are awarded certificates of awards for their education abilities, knowing my great grandaughter is never likely to receive one of these awards as she is 3-4 years behind for her age but
 so she didn't feel left out the headmaster made up a special award especially for her and worded it...............for the smiliest pupil in school and because every morning she bursts through my door and says.........are you alright then.......now we the family thought it was a lovely gesture on behalf of the headmaster.


The following is an example of the fact she doesn't fully understand what is being taught to her, she was in the supermarket one day with my daughter and my great grandaughter went up to a couple who were complete strangers to her and told them all about stranger danger, when she had finished she gave these complete strangers a big hug...........so although her mother tries to teach and warn her of certain things she doesn't really understand what is being said to her.
« Last Edit: Nov 02, 2019, 07:28:11 AM by Bee »
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