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BazzerPontefract

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Re: London Attack
« Reply #30 on: Nov 30, 2019, 11:39:17 AM »
The same two lame phrases are being pumped out by the liberal apologists of ISLAMIC TERRORISM (oh, yes it is Islam that the terrorism flows from).
The two phrases I refer to are:
1) Home Grown Terrorism
2) Brain Washing
Both phrases are constructed by limp-minded liberals to give the impression that we ourselves are responsible for the terrorism by our own actions.  We are not.  The terrorism is a consequence of a sickness that stems from the global Muslim world with their primitive hostility to everything western.   We are the ones (the west) who corrupts the Muslim mind is the Muslim mindset - it is something that lingers in every Muslim mind.
This Terrorism is not Home Grown - it is something that is inculcated as much in Mosques in Pakistan as it is in Mosques in Finchley Road.  The source is religion, it is not geography.
The Terrorism is not a consequence of Brain Washing, it is a deep seated part of the Muslim mindset, as a consequence of their nurture in most cases.  To Liberals, the phrase Brain Washing, gives a awful lot of comfort because it implies that the ridged Muslim mindset can be changed, by changes in our own behaviours.  It can't.

To challenge this crazy construct of Brain Washing we have to ask has the 50,000 radical socialists who are members of Momentum or the 120,000 members of the Tory Party being Brain Washed into their belief system - well of course they haven't, they came to their views through influences on their daily life, fortunately, in the last cases, not to some violent and murderous expression of their views.

The Terrorism flows from Islam - pure and simple.  The Liberal Establishment, such as those out of touch Cambridge Academics who invited the Terrorist to a REHABILITATION conference in London, are as much to blame as anyone, as they desperately try to excuse and deflect blame on us, rather than the real source, Islam.
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Diasi

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Re: London Attack
« Reply #31 on: Nov 30, 2019, 11:50:10 AM »
The chap, James Ford, who risked his life taking the knife
off the killer was a convicted murderer out on
day release.
Nota lota people know that.

The attacker was attending a rehabilitation seminar for convicted criminals so it's not surprising that convicted criminals were the first on the scene.
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Re: London Attack
« Reply #32 on: Nov 30, 2019, 12:17:28 PM »



.. and he is the sort of person I would like at my back when faced with a maniac wielding a knife.
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Re: London Attack
« Reply #33 on: Nov 30, 2019, 12:20:42 PM »


Who ordered the  release of this crazed man, he is the danger to society.
I can't find this on the BBC News site for some reason but...
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Khan was imprisoned for his part in a plot to bomb the London Stock Exchange and pubs in Stoke, as well as planning to establish a terrorist training camp in Pakistan, in 2012, and originally serving an indeterminate sentence for public protection (IPP) — meaning he could have been kept behind bars as long as the relevant authorities deemed him too dangerous to release.
However, Court of Appeal judges led by Lord Leveson quashed his IPP in 2013 and swapped it for a fixed term of 16 years, with eligibility for release on licence at the halfway point — as is standard in the British criminal justice system.


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IPPs were abolished by the Tories altogether after the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) ruled they were “arbitrary”.


It should be noted that the European Court of Human rights is technically not a European Union institution, like the separate European Court of Justice (ECJ), but past Lord Chancellors such as Lord Falconer believe EU member-states are effectively required to submit the ECtHR’s jurisdiction as a condition of membership.


https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/11/30/london-bridge-killer-usman-khan-a-convicted-terrorist-released-from-prison-on-tag/



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Re: London Attack
« Reply #34 on: Nov 30, 2019, 12:28:36 PM »
So, let me be sure I have this right - this scum was convicted in 2012 of trying to blow up the Stock Exchange. SEVEN years later he is out and about murdering people - what the HELL (I would have used much, much stronger language, but it would have been censored) are we doing? He should have been behind bars until in his dotage
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klondike

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Re: London Attack
« Reply #35 on: Nov 30, 2019, 12:35:25 PM »
Pity he wasn't wearing a fake suicide vest last time around. It's a guaranteed trip to paradise (or possibly somewhere warmer) which is why they do it.

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Re: London Attack
« Reply #36 on: Nov 30, 2019, 12:36:36 PM »


So, let me be sure I have this right - this scum was convicted in 2012 of trying to blow up the Stock Exchange. SEVEN years later he is out and about murdering people - what the HELL (I would have used much, much stronger language, but it would have been censored) are we doing? He should have been behind bars until in his dotage


Nah, why keep these sort of b*****s in comfort for the rest of their lives, TOP THEM

klondike

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Re: London Attack
« Reply #37 on: Nov 30, 2019, 12:43:51 PM »
The problem is that sometimes police do make mistakes and sometimes have incorrect information such as when they shot that completely innocent Argentinian(?) bloke on the tube some years back. This time around somebody got a damned great big knife off the terroist and walked away with it - if there weren't strict rules he would certainly have been at risk.

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« Reply #38 on: Nov 30, 2019, 12:49:31 PM »
As an ex-cult member who was kidnapped and deprogrammed,
and who then went on to rescue quite a few people from cults
I can categorically state that brainwashing exists.

That is not the problem.

WHAT
is the problem is the way 'brainwashing' is bandied about in situations
where it is not clear if the supposedly brainwashed are brainwashed at all
by people not equipped to work out if they have been brainwashed.

In cases like the recent Islamic (or 'Islamic' if you will) terrorists who have
committed atrocities it seems that very little influence has come from
other people exerting their will on them; more a case of disaffected characters
latching onto the Islamic fundamentalist totalitarian dogma of their own
volition as a way of coping with their pretty serious mental problems.

Unlike many other religions and cults, Islam has never claimed to solve
every one's problems (I studied Islam in my first year of my BA degree at
Durham), in fact it makes a big thing about personal responsibility, It makes
crystal clear what the religion considers wrong and right, and states that it is up to you
to decide to stick to those rules or not, and if you don't you will be punished.

As soon as something 'Islamic' claims that, just by becoming a Muslim, one will
mysteriously solve all one's problems and not be held responsible for things such as
lopping off people's heads with machetes, they have taken leave of Islam.

Of course a very large part of the problem in Britain is that very many Muslims are
either afraid and too cowardly (although this is what my Grandfather called "being a moral [censored].")
to openly condemn all this disgustingness that is being done in the name of their religion.

If preachers in mosques up and down the British Isles are manipulating young people
to go off and fight for ISIS then I suspect that brainwashing is going on; especially
in the cases of those young women who went off to become "baby factories" in Syria.

Those women need psychiatric help.

If, however, 'Johnny,' the spotty, post-teenage misfit starts reading crap on the internet
and deciding "that's for me" he is not being brainwashed (unless one wants to cook up some
sort of "auto-brainwashing" thing), but taking decisions for which is is personally responsible.
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Re: London Attack
« Reply #39 on: Nov 30, 2019, 01:06:08 PM »


If, however, 'Johnny,' the spotty, post-teenage misfit starts reading crap on the internet
and deciding "that's for me" he is not being brainwashed (unless one wants to cook up some
sort of "auto-brainwashing" thing), but taking decisions for which is is personally responsible.



Alas.. Johnny will still be treated as a 'poor thing'... and be invited back to live with the people he would like to have eliminated....
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Re: London Attack
« Reply #40 on: Nov 30, 2019, 01:12:20 PM »
Would you class my Catholic upbringing and education by nuns brainwashing?  I was a right little holy Mary when I was a child by 15 I had thought for myself and rejected the whole thing.

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« Reply #41 on: Nov 30, 2019, 01:19:05 PM »
I am dead-set against religious upbringings just exactly because I believe in God,
and that God allowed those blobby things in the primordial soup (after s/he pressed the big-bang switch)
to evolve brains . . .

. . . why?

Well certainly NOT so we don't use them by being unquestioning pawns in some else's evil machinations.

My grandfather (who I have  mentioned before) said that it was our duty during our lifetime to use ALL the gifts we
had been given: spot on!

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Re: London Attack
« Reply #42 on: Nov 30, 2019, 01:42:51 PM »
I am of the opinion that these religions need to "get" their recruits  from birth, getting them when they have a mind of their own is not so easy.  Even when you know its rubbish its still niggles at the back of your mind.


Years ago,I was out for the day with my late friend Jill, bought up in an Irish Catholic family and educated by nuns like me.  The sky went really black and stormy looking.  She looked scared and said, "I know its daft but I was taught the day the world ended would be like this, the sky's would go black and it always scares me".  We had a laugh about it but see how things can stick in your mind. fancy telling little kids stuff like that.  I was told that if I missed church on a Sunday I would go to hell, I can recall sitting in church, not wanting to be there, thinking to myself I,m OK today I wont go to hell.


At least the catholic religion didn't tell us to kill the infidel, take their women as slaves and rape them.

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Re: London Attack
« Reply #43 on: Nov 30, 2019, 02:16:07 PM »
"At least the catholic religion didn't tell us to kill the infidel."

They did a while back: c.f. The Crusades.

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Re: London Attack
« Reply #44 on: Nov 30, 2019, 03:03:19 PM »
Thank you Jacqueline, your post are so true & so interesting. I won't post anything negative as I would be accused of being a racist.
Wasn't it Bevin who years ago warned about the dangers of inviting muslims etc to come to England? Cheers Audrine