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klondike

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A GP's tale
« on: Oct 11, 2020, 03:06:08 PM »
As a follow on from the nurse's spilling of the beans here is a letter written by a GP incensed by a tweet from Hancock about our glorious NHS

https://lockdownsceptics.org/letter-from-a-gp/
Here's the start of a rather long list at the bottom of it...

All of the above is my subjective experience. But there is now evidence:

– millions of cancer screens not done – the many asymptomatic but curable cancers detected every year through screening will now be missed until established and symptomatic and less curable.

– fewer GP referrals for suspected cancer – patients simply aren’t presenting with symptoms, they have been too successfully terrified.

– more people dying at home – patients with e.g. heart attacks, strokes, breathing problems, again too frightened to go to hospital.

Anybody still feel like clapping?


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Re: A GP's tale
« Reply #1 on: Oct 11, 2020, 04:24:28 PM »
Fair points. Decent argument.


Have we any reasoned argument what, then, should have been done.


If no controls or measures had been taken...where would we be now?


Not arguing,just asking.

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Re: A GP's tale
« Reply #2 on: Oct 11, 2020, 04:26:14 PM »
No
I dont know why this posting has appeared here but it was intended as a response to
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zoony

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Re: A GP's tale
« Reply #3 on: Oct 11, 2020, 04:29:20 PM »
Just scroll back a bit?
A man said: You can always tell a lady, but you can't tell her much.. (Moliere maybe?)

klondike

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Re: A GP's tale
« Reply #4 on: Oct 11, 2020, 04:30:06 PM »
If no controls or measures had been taken...where would we be now?
Health wise pretty close to where we are now so long as some social distancing advice was given to the vulnerable.
Better if there had been no offloading of Covid infected patients from hospitals to nursing homes.
A lot better had the NHS continued with the day job.

Economy wise - not on the way to hell in a handcart.
« Last Edit: Oct 11, 2020, 04:33:35 PM by klondike »

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Re: A GP's tale
« Reply #5 on: Oct 11, 2020, 04:33:26 PM »
Ive just realised that I ticked a box in my account settings by mistake which made some of my postings appear out of order to me.
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Re: A GP's tale
« Reply #6 on: Oct 11, 2020, 04:33:49 PM »
i may be wrong [and often are]
but i think most of the barriers put up are/were to protect the NHS
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klondike

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« Reply #7 on: Oct 11, 2020, 04:56:05 PM »
It looks that way. They certainly don't do much to protect the public as must now be obvious from the fact that the little surge (I won't give it the honour of calling it a second wave) in the north of England hasn't been curbed in the least by the additional restrictions imposed. As was claimed in the paper I posted a link to some time back none of the restrictions have had any influence on the progress of the epidemic from the moment the virus arrived here.

digitalis

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Re: A GP's tale
« Reply #8 on: Oct 11, 2020, 04:59:53 PM »
Thanks for reply.


I can see reason in the posts above. NHS saved,but patients lives/health/outcomes impoverished/made worse.


Now...any country that has taken a less draconian path than ouselves or out government. And has it been proved to be a better reasoned outcome for the people of that country?

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Re: A GP's tale
« Reply #9 on: Oct 11, 2020, 05:03:59 PM »
Sweden
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zoony

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« Reply #10 on: Oct 11, 2020, 05:07:29 PM »
That's yet to be decided..Infection rates there are rising..
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Re: A GP's tale
« Reply #11 on: Oct 11, 2020, 05:12:37 PM »
They are everywhere. Winter is coming.
As for what can be measured Sweden GDP down about 8%. Ours about 20%.

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« Reply #12 on: Oct 14, 2020, 06:17:51 AM »
Oh, and Sweden accepts that it got it wrong over care homes (as did we) and with hindsight could have saved lives in that sector
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 14, 2020, 09:29:27 AM »
One thing about Sweden's approach is that their deaths per capita is less than ours and their current daily deaths 7 day average has been 1 or 2 for weeks on end despite their "second wave" which also appears to be in decline.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

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« Reply #14 on: Oct 14, 2020, 09:51:42 AM »
And they haven’t totally wrecked their economy in the process
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