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Edna

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Royal Mail.
« on: Oct 19, 2009, 09:07:16 PM »
So are the lemmings going to jump ?

Ivanhoe

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Re: Royal Mail.
« Reply #1 on: Oct 19, 2009, 09:08:55 PM »
Would'nt you ?

Edna

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Re: Royal Mail.
« Reply #2 on: Oct 20, 2009, 08:22:55 AM »
Would'nt you ?

I wouldn't put myself in a position to be manipulated by any trade union.

Ivanhoe

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« Reply #3 on: Oct 20, 2009, 10:43:20 AM »
I was waiting for that.

The trade Unions are there to protect workers rights.

And this is even more necessary today because we are a market/profit lead economy, where jobs are constantly insecure.

And all this began in the 80's.

The postmen and woman are fighting for their livelyhoods, but do New Labour care ?, why should they, these government ministers are doing "all right jack", and it sounds to me like you support the government.

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 20, 2009, 11:20:13 AM »
For years the Royal mail have been led by a bunch of incompetents who's chickens are coming home to roost.
Meanwhile the workforce are being led by the nose by a union of dinosaurs who can not see that change is necessary and resist it.
Neither side know the word compromise which is the only way they are going to survive.
The management plough ahead with proposed "modernisation" without consultation. They in most cases have never done the job and have only a theoretical idea of how it works. Whilst anyone with an iota of common sense knows theory and practice are very often far removed from one another. They should be discussing any proposed changes with the people on the ground. On the other hand the unions refuse, naturally,  to discuss anything that is being forced on them even if they are being given a chance.
The result is chaos. But I suspect this chaos is organised.
I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but I smell the pungent aroma of Mandelson behind all this. He couldn't get his sell off through the house and nasty little snake that he is, he doesn't give up  :-\
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Re: Royal Mail.
« Reply #5 on: Oct 20, 2009, 11:30:13 AM »
Wrinkles, Why do you think "New" Labour wont "nationalise" the post office, because it is after all a public service ?

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Re: Royal Mail.
« Reply #6 on: Oct 20, 2009, 11:50:49 AM »
For years the Royal mail have been led by a bunch of incompetents who's chickens are coming home to roost.
Meanwhile the workforce are being led by the nose by a union of dinosaurs who can not see that change is necessary and resist it.
Neither side know the word compromise which is the only way they are going to survive.
The management plough ahead with proposed "modernisation" without consultation. They in most cases have never done the job and have only a theoretical idea of how it works. Whilst anyone with an iota of common sense knows theory and practice are very often far removed from one another. They should be discussing any proposed changes with the people on the ground. On the other hand the unions refuse, naturally,  to discuss anything that is being forced on them even if they are being given a chance.
The result is chaos. But I suspect this chaos is organised.
I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but I smell the pungent aroma of Mandelson behind all this. He couldn't get his sell off through the house and nasty little snake that he is, he doesn't give up  :-\


Well said Wrinkles ! ( sort of ).

While we expect the Royal Mail and other workers unions to start this kind of action just before Christmas - as it concentrates the minds of the employers on their profits at this time - I do feel that there is STILL far too much posturing and the "them and us" syndrome in employment-relations.

In this particular case the union has put forward a number of suggestions so as to bring this disagreement to a successful close but every time they have the management have dismissed these suggestions out of hand.

Now the union bosses want the case to go to arbitration at ACAS but the management of the Royal Mail are digging in their heels.

Eventually, as in all disputes like this, a decent compromise is going to have to be reached and both sides know this only too well.

Edna.....

I do not think that it is fair to blame the unions for all of this problem as remember that "it takes two to tango !"
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Re: Royal Mail.
« Reply #7 on: Oct 21, 2009, 07:08:22 PM »
The Post office was once a nationalised Industry and BT was part of it, but even then there were Mail strikes. The post Office hasn't learned it's lesson from years back, that if it wants to make sweeping changes It needs to work with the Unions, not against them.

I must admit though, Royal Mail has been losing money sice email started to be the method of choice for many. There were many avenues it could have explored, but didn't.

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Ivanhoe

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Re: Royal Mail.
« Reply #8 on: Oct 21, 2009, 07:43:27 PM »
So we've all got to learn a lession have we ?, sounds like the British Empire all over again.

We cant have British workers getting above their station can we.

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Re: Royal Mail.
« Reply #9 on: Oct 21, 2009, 09:06:29 PM »
The Post office was once a nationalised Industry and BT was part of it, but even then there were Mail strikes. The post Office hasn't learned it's lesson from years back, that if it wants to make sweeping changes It needs to work with the Unions, not against them.

I must admit though, Royal Mail has been losing money sice email started to be the method of choice for many. There were many avenues it could have explored, but didn't.

Cheers, HG

The post office is still nationalised. That's one of the reasons the unions believe they can still dictate how a business is run. The European Union forced the Royal Mail to open up its business to competition. Now businesses have a choice in who handles their mail etc.

Ivanhoe

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« Reply #10 on: Oct 21, 2009, 09:23:01 PM »
The EU link is a myth perpetuated by the UKIP.

It has always been right wing Tory policy to privatise other that nationalise.

The Tory's began privatisation in general under Margaret Thatcher, she began with the Utilities.

John Major privatised the railways in 1992, not because of any EU Directive, but again because it is always right wing policy to do so.

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« Reply #11 on: Oct 22, 2009, 11:45:44 AM »
The Royal Mail bosses - with the support of this New-labour government - have already tried twice to part-privatise it and they have been defeated in this wish.

Yes, the EU DID encourage us to introduce privatisation into the postal service and since then the private delivery companies like TNT and UPS and others have already stolen much or the trade that the Royal Mail needs to survive. Making it even more private will not help the service as once it is part or fully privatised the profit motive will take over and the service will get worse and worse.

( Services always suffer when the profit motive is allowed to hold sway in anything ).

The Royal Mail workers union are fighting to try to keep the Royal Mail as a public concern and if we do not want the so-called "free-market" to ruin our postal services in Britain we should support the workers in what they are trying to do.
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Re: Royal Mail.
« Reply #12 on: Oct 22, 2009, 01:43:16 PM »
Papaumau, Sorry you are wrong, the EU have nothing at all to do with British privatisation.

Privatisation has always been a policy advocated by the right of the Tory party.

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Re: Royal Mail.
« Reply #13 on: Oct 22, 2009, 02:32:16 PM »
PaPa! pay attention and do try and keep up,
You should know that the EU is mainly communist, marxist or socialist and as, according to the perceived wisdom in the collected chronicles of Ivanhoe, ALL the ills of the Western world are the fault of Mrs T  and the Tories.  It therefore stands to reason that the EU could have nothing whatsoever to do with the privatisation of Britain or any other supposed malady affecting us  ::)
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Re: Royal Mail.
« Reply #14 on: Oct 22, 2009, 02:40:54 PM »
Ignorants and rudeness among the younger generations toward the older gnerations is part parcel of the moral decay of this country since the Thatcher era of self self self, me me me, and ide definately align this arrogant's with the arrogance shown to the jews from the Nazis before the holocaust took place, when jews were being descriminated against, and we all know what followed that, dont we.