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John

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UK Job Losses
« on: Jan 15, 2010, 12:26:11 PM »
It must not be forgotten that jobs are still being lost in the UK.

Spin can be silent as well. Not saying anything is not governing.

Foreign owned businesses (of which there are many) are
getting out, taking production to Countries who tax less,
not only the business but the people who work for them.

Overall making it far more profitable for them.

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #1 on: Jan 15, 2010, 12:39:25 PM »
I seem to remember reading an article lately that a lot of Manufacturing firms are considering coming  back to this country, because of shoddy workmanship, and bad customer service.

Or will it be because people are coming into this country and undercutting other workers, who will do the job cheaper.

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #2 on: Jan 27, 2010, 05:51:52 PM »
  Of the many reasons given to move production from this country by the big transnational company's, tax is not at the top of the list.  The main consideration is
1. Poverty wages, 2. Deregulated work force i.e. hire and fire at will, no legal redress for employees, 3. a plentyfull supply of unemployed labour. 4. A weak and corrupt government.
As for tax it is a fact that no government of this county is prepared to confront major investors and allows tax havens set up around the world to flourish. As any accountant of any standing will testify billions of taxes are avoided.
Over the last thirty years company tax has been reduced, Taxes have been shifted from the rich to the poor. Income Tax from Top rate 83% down to 40%. Basic income tax down to 20%, Capital gains tax from 30% now 18%. Corporation tax down to 28% from 52% and lower for small companies. The level of tax on company profits has almost halved.
At the other end of the scale employee N.I. raised from 6.5% in 1979 to 11% today. VAT has more than doubled in 1979 from 8% to 17% to day.
From all that I deduct that the average working class family is taking the brunt of the tax burden off the poor old employers, and they are still not satisfied and probably will never be satisfied until we are a third world country sweat shop.

John

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #3 on: Jan 27, 2010, 06:31:11 PM »
The UK fits those criteria:

1. Poverty Wages - The minimum wage (less taxes) in the UK in this economy FITS

2. Deregulated Work Force - 6 Month Rolling Contracts - No Rights. There are sweat shops here. There is slave labour, Gang Masters, people engaged in dangerous practices etc. FITS

3. Unemployed Labour (2 and half million plus and rising) FITS

4. A weak and corrupt Government - Lies, Fiddles and Standing By FITS

Matters have not improved in real terms - it was only the multiple deaths of cockle pickers that some effort was made to control Gang Masters.

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #4 on: Jan 28, 2010, 02:12:12 PM »
Nowadays, due to poor Governments of every stripe, Britain is a Third world Country in all but name, with our Glorious leaders still dreaming of the Empire they gave away.  Cloud Cuckoo land, indeed!

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John

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #5 on: Jan 28, 2010, 02:28:07 PM »
That is because they are lining their pockets on us.

They are dreaming, dreaming of making even more money by bending the rules.

Or the simple method, voting themselves pay and allowance rises.

This Government fiddles while UK Industry burns.




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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #6 on: Jan 28, 2010, 02:36:34 PM »
Mainly because of the privatisation of our industries, allowing their control to be assumed by other countries.

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John

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #7 on: Jan 28, 2010, 11:38:36 PM »
Unfortunately the reason why any Country from any part
of the world can buy what they want is another failing
of this Labour Government.

They jettisoned the Public Interest element of UK Competition Policy
back in 2000. Which meant they could no longer object to anything
or stop matters in the public interest and the loss of British
Jobs.

It was cheaper for China to buy Rover, bring over hundreds of
Chinese workers to dismantle the factory and take it there.
This meant they could make the cars that we could have exported
or used as export exchange.

Blair with Brown went to Birmingham, posed for the cameras
made a few useless speeches and left.

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #8 on: Feb 04, 2010, 11:55:32 AM »
  Of the many reasons given to move production from this country by the big transnational company's, tax is not at the top of the list.  The main consideration is
1. Poverty wages, 2. Deregulated work force i.e. hire and fire at will, no legal redress for employees, 3. a plentyfull supply of unemployed labour. 4. A weak and corrupt government.
As for tax it is a fact that no government of this county is prepared to confront major investors and allows tax havens set up around the world to flourish. As any accountant of any standing will testify billions of taxes are avoided.
Over the last thirty years company tax has been reduced, Taxes have been shifted from the rich to the poor. Income Tax from Top rate 83% down to 40%. Basic income tax down to 20%, Capital gains tax from 30% now 18%. Corporation tax down to 28% from 52% and lower for small companies. The level of tax on company profits has almost halved.
At the other end of the scale employee N.I. raised from 6.5% in 1979 to 11% today. VAT has more than doubled in 1979 from 8% to 17% to day.
From all that I deduct that the average working class family is taking the brunt of the tax burden off the poor old employers, and they are still not satisfied and probably will never be satisfied until we are a third world country sweat shop.

Well said BillB !  :)

Our John seems to think that Britain is under those sets of conditions but if we lay aside the black market employers here that cheat their employees, ( normally drafted in from the ex Eastern bloc countries to use as wage-slaves ), then we find that all the rest of the people employed in the manufacturing industries are either paid minimum wages or a fair wage that equates with the cost of living in the West.

Many employers simply take their work to the type of countries you named above because thay can make more profit when their goods are manufactured at a quarter of the cost of getting them made at home.

THAT is the full story here !
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John

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #9 on: Mar 12, 2010, 12:24:34 PM »
Job Loss is still very prevalent in the UK.

Will the thousands of Council Job losses really take place or is this posturing?

As a large proportion always appear to be away 'sick', I doubt any job losses
will be make any real difference.

Just give those begrudgingly answering the phones a further excuse to offer
from the normal selection...

Papaumau

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #10 on: Mar 12, 2010, 12:52:54 PM »
Why is Britain losing so many jobs ?

This is probably the easiest question I have ever been asked to answer !

Britain is trying to compete with the likes of China and India and Eastern Europe et-al by manufacturing "widgets" - let's call them - at the same level of cheapness of production as these countries can do with much lower costs of living than Britain.

To do this they either have to pay the going rate that suits the cost of living here or they have to take less profits and struggle to survive in such a cut-throat climate.

This model is supported by the latest negative trade-gap figures where even WITH a weak pound,  ( which should make our exports much cheaper to buy ), we STILL cannot compete with the trading tigers of the third world.

Our manufacturing base is shrinking day-by-day and not until the countries that we compete with start to get a cost of living like ours and pay wages like ours will our manufacturing base start to grow again.
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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #11 on: Mar 14, 2010, 01:41:39 AM »
Having the highest and largest variety of taxes in the World does absolutely
nothing to assist the situation.

It is not so much the cost of actual living.

It is the cost of paying Taxes.

The poorer you are, the greater the proportion of tax is paid.

Why has this been allowed to happen?  Gordon getting rid of the 10 pence Tax Band
just to turn the screw down more...


Papaumau

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #12 on: Mar 14, 2010, 12:32:19 PM »
Ignoring the opportunity presented by you to stick another dagger into Brown's back.....

I have to say that while it is true that the poorer people here are actually hit hardest pro-rata of income - in general and stealth taxation - I still believe that the TOTAL cost of living including the tax burden is what keeps wages here at a rate that is much higher - if poor to us - that means that we are getting paid more per hour than the peasant workers in China or India are getting paid per day.

So long as this really cheap labour is available to these tiger economies they will always be able to manufacture and export goods much more cheaply than we can.

If we do not want to turn our workers into third-world wage-slaves then we are just going to have to ensure that our minimum wage is good enough to ensure that this does not happen.
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John

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #13 on: Mar 14, 2010, 02:50:19 PM »
The point about the UK minimum wage is that unless an employee reports being
paid below it, the government quango set up to oversee it, the Low Pay
Commission takes no action. Then that action may be questionable.

You can report this if able to afford losing the job, able to understand
there is a minimum wage and the affect of tax and deductions.

The minimum wage is not respected and in some areas it is known
as slave wages. When in reality that wage is quite high given the
other benefits that being on it trigger.

But as an exception to the rule, knocking out loads of babies can bring
higher benefits then minimum wage working.

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Re: UK Job Losses
« Reply #14 on: Mar 15, 2010, 08:35:34 AM »
No one has to to work for or at a rate below the minimum wage.
They are perfectly at liberty to go self-employed - work seven days a week for years and go without holidays and life's other little treats, build a successful business. Only to have it destroyed by envious lazy scroungers who would not know what an honest days work is because you still have to support drug addicts, alcoholics nicotine addicts, spend your (Taxpayers) money on cheap imported goods. BUY British and support craftsmen and businesses!