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cheddar-caveman

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Re: RETURNING TO UK
« Reply #15 on: Nov 23, 2016, 01:13:56 PM »
Um, interesting Akbuk. At death Muslims must be buried as soon as possible, but certainly within 24 hours. do not normally use a coffin and they certainly do not do cremation. The body should be wrapped in three white sheets which should be tied with rope above the head, around the torso and below the feet. The grave should be dug with the long, right side pointing towards Quiblah (Mecca) and the body laid in the grave on their right hand side so that they also face Mecca.
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 23, 2016, 01:38:23 PM »
Um, interesting Akbuk. At death Muslims must be buried as soon as possible, but certainly within 24 hours. do not normally use a coffin and they certainly do not do cremation. The body should be wrapped in three white sheets which should be tied with rope above the head, around the torso and below the feet. The grave should be dug with the long, right side pointing towards Quiblah (Mecca) and the body laid in the grave on their right hand side so that they also face Mecca.

Well this bod landed at the cemetery in a coffin or a box shaped like one, quite right though the body was not buried in it.
There was a "wake" afterwards on one of the ones we went to & it was in the grounds of a Mosque. When we got there all the tables were laid out & not a woman at any of the tables, all men I would say about 150. Im there with the wife, she's saying don't you dare leave me & go in there (as if I would). The next thing the husband of the woman who had died came over & invited us both into the Mosque grounds to join them, I kindly refused. BUT what a nice gesture by the guy. I don't think going in there would have gone down too well with all the Muslim women who were on the fringe of it all, many of which we knew.
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Re: RETURNING TO UK
« Reply #17 on: Nov 23, 2019, 11:02:00 AM »
I hope I will not have to return to the "UK", a de facto state, but not de jure under Scots law.

I hope to return to an independent Scotland.

Let's hope the English can behave themselves, unlike the way they did in Ireland in 1916,
and let's hope they honour pensions cross-border.

As Nicola Sturgeon stated last night . . . the ties that bind are too strong for animosity.

I'm a "pure Scot," and know this because my Mother is half English and my father's father's lot moved
over from Norway about 700 years ago. Can't be arsed with racism (funny how about 40 years ago that
was called 'racialism), can't be arsed with nationalism based on running other countries down, but
I do want an independent Scotland.

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« Reply #18 on: Nov 23, 2019, 11:50:16 AM »
It's strange how the conversation on this thread has turned and I won't make much comment but to say that to view 1916 blaming only the English is a bit rich and that it's strange how independence is a prize savoured by the Scots, Welsh and Irish but how wronged they seem to feel when the English want their own space. The issue of pensions has never occurred to me before as something that is uppermost in the minds of those who crave independence from the British purse strings.  I would hope that those who desire their own independent nation would pay the required taxes to provide their own pensions.  Certainly, National Insurance has long been just a euphemism for tax and never anyway went into a 'pot' for distribution at a later date but is derived from current tax income, although a mistake to my mind.  So why would anyone imagine that after independence pensioners who choose to live as what will then be foreigners should expect to retain their pensions from an 'English' exchequer? 

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« Reply #19 on: Nov 23, 2019, 12:01:35 PM »
I wish the English could have a vote on Scotland's independence. or at least a vote on scrapping the Barnett formula,

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« Reply #20 on: Nov 23, 2019, 12:38:19 PM »
I will never, ever understand the posture of teh SNP to 'escape from the thraldom' of Westminster, only to gleefully replace it with thraldom to Brussels.
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 23, 2019, 01:08:43 PM »
 The SNP will do anything to spite Westminster.   Their only aim is an independent Scotland - whatever the cost.  They can dream all they want about a fairyland "Scotland the Brave", but what they could well end up with is an impoverished third world country begging for crumbs from Brussels.   

Not sure what would be worse - Independent Scotland  or England under Labour.
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 23, 2019, 01:59:33 PM »
You could end up by getting both if electoral fraud is allowed.

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« Reply #23 on: Nov 23, 2019, 02:52:40 PM »
I have nothing whatsoever against an idea that was floating around when I was at University (early 1980s);
that Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland AND England all have their own parliaments subordinate to a UK parliament
and a fully federal system.

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« Reply #24 on: Nov 23, 2019, 04:08:43 PM »
I too have been floating the idea for years with MP's and others but the standard answer is that an English parliament would simply be an unnecessary extra layer of bureaucracy and an unnecessary expense.  If it was neither of things for Scotland. Wales and NI, why is it so for the English?  I too favour a federal structure, but feel that the English are treated as the cash cow without having a voice.

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« Reply #25 on: Nov 23, 2019, 06:28:46 PM »
"the cash cow without having a voice"

Um, well, in Scotland there is a perception that England has a voice in Westminster that over rules Scotland.

Whichever is true (and I honestly don't know): if Scotland cannot gain independence a federal system would be better both so the English can feel
they have equal weighting, and so the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish won't go in for tooth-sucking.

While I do favour Scots independence (mainly because I cannot see a federal system anywhere at all), I am worried
about an independent Scotland becoming some sort of "Socialist Paradise" because the shining examples of
"Socialist Paradises" I've seen are absolute hell: c.f Venezuela, and in my own experience having a wife who grew up
in Communist Bulgaria and whose father was in a prison camp, as well as seeing what a dump it was in 1990; and the long-term
consequences: awful corruption and so on.

Nicola Sturgeon is a brave woman (whatever you think of her), but she is also a raving pie-in-the-sky lefty promising
jam for everyone; but we've all read Alice Through the Looking-Glass so we all know about jam. Let her fight and win independence
and then let all reasonably-minded Scots form some sort of centre-right political party to cancel out all the loony-lefties
spread between the Scottish Labour party and the SNP.

With Nicola Sturgeon in power, post-independence, what ever she says, there will not be any caviar.   ;D

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« Reply #26 on: Nov 23, 2019, 06:58:20 PM »
Hi richmond62, I too spend my time in Bulgaria.  Bought my property almost 20 years ago - still nice weather down in the South East - and many of the older Bulgarians still mourn the passing of communism, where everyone had work and ate well.
I was talking to some students only last week outside the University at Burgas who had mixed views on capitalism v communism.

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« Reply #27 on: Nov 23, 2019, 07:39:36 PM »
  Good to see you again Glazer.
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« Reply #28 on: Nov 23, 2019, 07:46:44 PM »
Hi Zoony, I have to admit to 'peeping' as scrumpy calls it. ;)

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« Reply #29 on: Nov 23, 2019, 07:50:31 PM »
Richmond. Westminster may have ultimate sway over many things, but that is not England, not even mostly English.  One could argue that the many ethnic S,W&NI politicians have often outnumbered the English in parliament and been responsible in a major part for Britain as it is, including the treatment of each other which was why I said that blaming of the English for the Irish problems in 1916 was a bit rich.  Even when partition was agreed it was a Welsh PM who agreed the terms that are causing problems to this day and all to protect the ethnic Scots.

All the constituent members of the geographic area of the British Isles (even the republic) have been bound together by mutual loathing and mutual necessity for hundreds of years and each one just as guilty whilst being just as praiseworthy as the other.  I believe it is time for them to set to set the English free of their burden and unequal representation. Free as they wish to find their own place in the world, but the cuts must be clean, no funds, no assistance, no protection.  Let Scotland be truly free to be a subject state of an evil empire, NI free to join the south (and thus the evil empire) and Wales to stay or go as the majority decide but to stop whinging about everything under the sun.

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