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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #30 on: Aug 28, 2022, 09:44:25 AM »
And especially with case studies spouting utter rubbish.

Solar panels will not run your oven, kettle, washing machine & tumble drier all at the same time.

Ohhh NO! How would you ever survive? Seems an ever increasing amount of people are made of sterner stuff...
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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #31 on: Aug 28, 2022, 01:35:15 PM »
Never Argue with a Liberal ...

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #32 on: Aug 28, 2022, 02:17:12 PM »
My son in law would agree with Diasi re solar, and heís involved in house renovations and development.  However, heís currently enjoying his (very swish) electric car.  He does change motors fairly often though, so the novelty may wear off.  Plus he has a van for back up. 
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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #33 on: Oct 27, 2022, 12:45:08 PM »
Apologies for reopening this thread, but I have just heard on the news that Ford are going to discontinue their Fiesta to be replaced by all-electric cars.
I heard not long ago that VW also have decided to discontinue their Golf, and to also go all-electric.
As we know, the government has decided to ban the sale of new ICE cars in 2030.

Thinking about this, I have several questions about their practicality.

Their range.  I believe that the best you can expect from most electric cars is around 250-300 miles, and that's without heating or air conditioning running.  Our Golf can manage over 500 miles.

Charging/refuelling.  It takes about 5 or 10 minutes to refill our car.  An electric car will require an hour or more to fully recharge.  Perhaps less time, but with the penalty of less subsequent range.

Electricity supplies.  Already, we are being told that there will be power cuts this winter as our electricity generation provision will not be able to maintain constant electricity supplies.  As more and more electric cars are going to require even more electricity, are we going to find even more power cuts?  Nuclear power is a long way off, and other forms of generation: coal, gas, oil, etc., are also running into shortage of supply.

Cost.  An electric car of equivalent size to our Golf would cost at least £1500 more than ours.

Batteries will need replacing within a few years (5 or more?) and a replacement will cost possibly half the original purchase price of the car.  Can many of us afford this, and the consequent resale value of a used car of this age would plummet compared to ICE cars.

Hybrid cars, of course, suffer less from these restrictions, but even then, they are to be banned in 2035.

I'm sure there are other drawbacks to 'going electric', but I don't want to go on and on about it!

I'd be really interested to hear others' views.  How many of you are seriously considering an electric car within the next 7 or 8 years, or are you going to buy second-hand ICE cars instead after 2030?

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #34 on: Oct 27, 2022, 02:29:01 PM »
Most of the answers are easy to find on interweb and I am not going to repeat the ones I have already given, like battery guarantees.
The Dacia Spring EV I have been waiting for for almost a year (they are very popular) has a battery guarantee of 8 years or 120000km to 80% capacity.

Fact remains that most people (not oldies) will HAVE TO quit using fuel burners for transport. So it's no good going on about how fantastic they are/were but to adopt and adapt to new technology essential to survival.

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #35 on: Oct 27, 2022, 02:50:25 PM »
Electric cars will be fine in the future, once everything is in place and working. All homes need to have one or two charging points, however I cannot see how it would work for people living in big blocks of flats. Also need lots of places to charge on all the routes between towns and cities.
The price of charging is rocketing all the time, it will cost a lot to charge soon. I can't see any changeover going smoothly in the near future.

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #36 on: Oct 27, 2022, 03:10:17 PM »
Electric cars will be fine in the future, once everything is in place and working. All homes need to have one or two charging points, however I cannot see how it would work for people living in big blocks of flats. Also need lots of places to charge on all the routes between towns and cities.
The price of charging is rocketing all the time, it will cost a lot to charge soon. I can't see any changeover going smoothly in the near future.


Personally, I doubt it.

What about the lack of range, especially in winter?
Where is all the necessary electricity going to come from?  Windmills?  We are already suffering promised power cuts this winter, and that's with only a minority of electric cars.  If everyone buys one I can foresee power cuts every week!

I would never buy one.  If the government's plans actually take place in 2030, we shall be buying a second-hand ICE car, though to be honest I shall not be surprised if the government end up having to back down from their plans!

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« Reply #37 on: Oct 27, 2022, 03:22:50 PM »
I hope they do as well JBR, typical government all talk and kid on to look good.
I won't get one either, too much hassle not to mention the huge cost of one.
I will always have a petrol car till I give up driving.

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #38 on: Oct 27, 2022, 03:29:46 PM »
I hope they do as well JBR, typical government all talk and kid on to look good.
I won't get one either, too much hassle not to mention the huge cost of one.
I will always have a petrol car till I give up driving.

In 2030 I shall be 78.  It is unlikely that I shall be driving then, and I do little or nothing already, mainly due to my health problems (though I still have a valid driving licence).

On the other hand, Marge will be 69 and, I expect, will still be driving.  I just hope that the government's silly idea comes to nothing, for her sake.

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #39 on: Oct 27, 2022, 04:00:56 PM »
So are you saying a fuel burner is?
You still seem to treat it as a given that people should dig up billions of tons of Co2 and keep releasing ever more of it into the atmos.
But, how much coal/oil/gas must be used in order to provide the electricity to charge an EV ? I cannot see how it EVs contribute to saving the planet?
The car park at our local train station now has diesel generators that drivers use to charge their cars, locals living in the area protested prior to the installation about the potential noise and fumes. One resident actually worked out the costs. apparently it would use 12 gallons of fuel per hour, and it takes approx 3 hours to charge a car, to get 200 miles of driving range, thatís 36 gallons for 200 miles thatís 5.6 miles per gallon 😳
I am not enamoured by the thought that I will eventually have to buy an EV.
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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #40 on: Oct 27, 2022, 05:01:21 PM »
But, how much coal/oil/gas must be used in order to provide the electricity to charge an EV ? I cannot see how it EVs contribute to saving the planet?
The car park at our local train station now has diesel generators that drivers use to charge their cars, locals living in the area protested prior to the installation about the potential noise and fumes. One resident actually worked out the costs. apparently it would use 12 gallons of fuel per hour, and it takes approx 3 hours to charge a car, to get 200 miles of driving range, thatís 36 gallons for 200 miles thatís 5.6 miles per gallon 😳
I am not enamoured by the thought that I will eventually have to buy an EV.


Exactly.  This ridiculous idea is going to fall flat on its face.

Wait until the government begins to charge more for electricity to cover the loss of fuel duty!
I have a distinct feeling that EVs will suddenly become less attractive.

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #42 on: Oct 27, 2022, 05:41:00 PM »
No. Definitely not.


The pollution from the production of the batteryís is simply enormous. Ad to that the battery or batteries need replacing at 8 years if not sooner.


We have no safe way of disposal of the used batteries. There is not sufficient materials on the planet to produce the batteries anyway.


Electricity has to be generated so thereís no such thing as zero emissions. Electricity is getting very expensive.


Most will buy them on lease or PCP or finance of some kind. If we keep an electric car for say 4 years itís residual value will be poor because itís likely the battery will have only 4 years or less and thatís a major expense. So the car that currently costs a fortune will be worth little. Quite a few finance companies wonít loan against electric cars because one with a dead battery is in essence worth very little.


We do not nor will not have the infrastructure to charge millions of electric cars. Our grid almost fails when there is a top football event on and everyone hits the kettle button at half time. So where will this mythical electricity come from ?


There is a very real risk of the power going off this winter. Add millions of cars into the equation and see how far the power goes then.


Our government tells us that itís all electric cars only to be sold after 2030. Utter cobblers that is.  They have assured us that there will be sufficient infrastructure to support and charge all of these cars. Thatís completely and totally ridiculous. There is nothing being done and there wonít be simply because the cost of building power stations and generating the power is incredible. Yet still they try to convince us to go electric.


Doubt my words ? Google the AA and RACs topics on this crazy situation Ö

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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #43 on: Oct 27, 2022, 05:48:24 PM »
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Most will buy them on lease or PCP or finance of some kind. If we keep an electric car for say 4 years itís residual value will be poor because itís likely the battery will have only 4 years or less and thatís a major expense. So the car that currently costs a fortune will be worth little. Quite a few finance companies wonít loan against electric cars because one with a dead battery is in essence worth very little.


Thanks Charlie, that had not crossed my mindÖand I suppose the trade in value of your old EV for a new EV will be similarly hit?


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Re: Would you buy an electric car?
« Reply #44 on: Oct 27, 2022, 06:12:30 PM »
given the current, and likely future short to medium term, of our energy supply, the whole concept of electric cars is ridiculous.
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