Arming Ukraine

[bilzin]

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[Hugh]

I certainly would not put money on it Akbuk but we should know for sure the out come in a couple of weeks or so.

[Akbuk]

I certainly would not put money on it Akbuk but we should know for sure the out come in a couple of weeks or so.

A game changer Hugh could be in the up & coming French elections. Currently its Macron calling the shots for France & talking about boots on the ground, a new Leader might quash those thoughts.

[Hugh]

No matter how the election goes Macron will not be going any where,and will remain in charge for the time being.

[Akbuk]

No matter how the election goes Macron will not be going any where,and will remain in charge for the time being.

Many already call him a lame duck President, if he loses, he could become a sitting duck President 

[John8]

 It’s not for Ukraine to say whether nuclear capable aircraft can fly into Russian territory, it’s for the countries supplying them to say how and when they can be used and up to Russia to say whether it’s acceptable or not. Ukraine has no say in it. Just as it would be up to the US to refuse to allow Cuba to place Russian nuclear missiles targeting the US on its territory.

Macron, Biden, Trudeau, Scholtz ... The globalists, progressives, Cultural Marxists call them what you will are having a hard time of it. The populations of the west are not cheering for these war mongers and hopefully they'll soon be voted out.     

[Akbuk]

There a bounty on the downing of the first F-16, £150,000, thereafter it’s £5,000 each.
My thought is, they might not know where in Ukraine they take off from but they’ll certainly know where they land.
Israel was supposed to have the worlds best air defences but it didn’t stop missiles hitting Tel Aviv. It was done by the sheer numbers of missiles & rockets. The system was overwhelmed.

[Hugh]

John it was Putin who started this war and no one else. Finland's border now free of Russians troops they are all now fighting Ukraine.

[John8]

John it was Putin who started this war and no one else. Finland's border now free of Russians troops they are all now fighting Ukraine.

No Hugh, it was the US who wanted Russia’s energy supply and NATO who wanted to advance right up to Russia’s borders that caused the conflict. They simply found a country stupid enough to fight Russia for them. What would the US do if Cuba (1962) or Mexico agreed to place Russian or Chinese missiles in their countries targeting America? If the Ukraine hadn’t started to ethnically cleanse its Russian speakers and NATO hadn’t wanted to place missiles in the Ukraine on Russia’s border, none of this would have happened.
 
The Russians are not short of manpower. They haven’t even called up national conscription. That the Russians have no soldiers left is straight out of the Kiev Independent.   According to Wiki statistics, the Ukraine had approximately a quarter million troops in 2015, if the Ukraine is now desperately short of manpower it means the slaughter of Ukrainians has reached WW1 proportions.
 

[John8]

There a bounty on the downing of the first F-16, £150,000, thereafter it’s £5,000 each.
My thought is, they might not know where in Ukraine they take off from but they’ll certainly know where they land.
Israel was supposed to have the worlds best air defences but it didn’t stop missiles hitting Tel Aviv. It was done by the sheer numbers of missiles & rockets. The system was overwhelmed.

Using radar and satellites, Russia will know exactly where the F-16s are based and if in the Ukraine they will be destroyed very quickly. Note that the west is sending old F-16s and not the modern F-35’s or the Eurofighter Typhoons and are presently mulling over where to base them. Poland or Romania if they’re stupid enough to volunteer are the main contenders. 

Putin has said that if these aircraft are based outside the Ukraine it reserves the right to attack the military installations of these countries whether in NATO or not. It beggars belief that a country would allow aircraft based on its soil to attack inside Russian territory and still claim neutrality.       

[Sciatico]

Again you are having to invent things out of thin air, Ivan.
The planes would be stored or maintained  in other countries until needed by Ukraine.
Just like they are now.
Russia is rapidly running out of sabres to rattle, that's why Putler is desperately sucking up to Kim.

[Hugh]

F16s will be based in Ukraine, that's been decided. I am pretty sure Ukraine know the risks involved and have their own plans. F16s from Holland can be used in Russia.


How the mighty have fallen standing side by side with G8 now G7, and now going with a begging bowl to North Korea who are making Putin look so small.

[Hugh]

One more huge fire in Moscow this time the Yacht club, not a drone attack.

[Akbuk]

Again you are having to invent things out of thin air, Ivan.
The planes would be stored or maintained  in other countries until needed by Ukraine.
Just like they are now.
Russia is rapidly running out of sabres to rattle, that's why Putler is desperately sucking up to Kim.

Mmm but we know that these F-16s will be taking off from Ukraine for combat & where will they be landing? I’d say Ukraine. They IMO will be tracked back to their bases, what NATO member would allow them to take off from their country, go into combat & then be allowed to land in their country of take off?


Russia making alliances is no more than what Ukraine has done. In fact, it’s what every country does in wars.
Take on board, both China & North Korea have land borders with Russia AND both have been sanctioned by the US.
Just what did the world expect??

[John8]

Again you are having to invent things out of thin air, Ivan.
The planes would be stored or maintained  in other countries until needed by Ukraine.
Just like they are now.
Russia is rapidly running out of sabres to rattle, that's why Putler is desperately sucking up to Kim.

And when they are needed by the Ukraine from which country and which airfield are they going to operate from? Any airfield in the Ukraine will be destroyed because Russia has superior airpower and what Putin is saying is that if they’re based in another country, those airfields and the F-16’s will also be destroyed. It has not been decided where the F-16’s are going to be based and why they’ve not even been delivered yet.  
 
Putin has stated that if the West continue to arm the Ukraine he will also arm those countries against the west with modern technology. Iran and North Korea instantly spring to mind and no matter what the eventual result in the Ukraine, I don’t think anyone wants to see those kind of countries with WMD’s. But why shouldn’t North Korea aid Russia if NATO countries are helping the Ukraine? What Putin is doing is making a point. Unlike Zelenesky, Putin is not travelling around the world begging anyone for weapons empty handed, Putin is doing deals with countries in return for the technology they need and that isn’t good news for the west.
 
Ukrainian drones have struck a Yacht club? Oh my God, I bet that terrified the Russians. Did they sink any yachts? Well, that should change the course of the war then.