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Akbuk

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Re: Arming Ukraine
« Reply #3870 on: Jun 20, 2024, 10:17:07 AM »
The west expected Russia to collapse with sanctions or a regime change and finally with a conflict that would see Russia capitulate early on, just like those oil producing Middle East countries it attacked earlier. A big mistake believing the Russian Federation was a copy of the Soviet one.
 
There are two problems with the F-16s. First is that they have to be based, serviced and repaired somewhere and it canít be the Ukraine because of the superior air power of the Russians who would destroy them while theyíre still on the ground. So that means theyíd have to be based in another NATO country such as Poland or Romania.
 
Second is that theyíre capable of carrying nuclear missiles and the Russians understandably will not allow nuclear capable aircraft to fly into its territory As I understand it, Putin has stated that if these aircraft operate out of another country, those bases would be legitimate targets meaning Russia would then be attacking a NATO country. What happens then is who blinks first, but itís a huge escalation on behalf of the west.


As Ukraineís F16s plans continue, you can put money on it that Russiaís counter planning is well underway & has been for months if not years. Satellites means ďno hiding placeĒ for anything in Ukraine.
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« Reply #3871 on: Jun 20, 2024, 03:48:41 PM »
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Re: Arming Ukraine
« Reply #3872 on: Jun 20, 2024, 03:48:49 PM »
I certainly would not put money on it Akbuk but we should know for sure the out come in a couple of weeks or so.

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« Reply #3873 on: Jun 20, 2024, 04:27:17 PM »
I certainly would not put money on it Akbuk but we should know for sure the out come in a couple of weeks or so.


A game changer Hugh could be in the up & coming French elections. Currently its Macron calling the shots for France & talking about boots on the ground, a new Leader might quash those thoughts.
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« Reply #3874 on: Jun 20, 2024, 04:31:54 PM »
No matter how the election goes Macron will not be going any where,and will remain in charge for the time being.

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« Reply #3875 on: Jun 20, 2024, 04:43:47 PM »
No matter how the election goes Macron will not be going any where,and will remain in charge for the time being.


Many already call him a lame duck President, if he loses, he could become a sitting duck President  :yes:
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Re: Arming Ukraine
« Reply #3876 on: Jun 20, 2024, 07:44:02 PM »
 Itís not for Ukraine to say whether nuclear capable aircraft can fly into Russian territory, itís for the countries supplying them to say how and when they can be used and up to Russia to say whether itís acceptable or not. Ukraine has no say in it. Just as it would be up to the US to refuse to allow Cuba to place Russian nuclear missiles targeting the US on its territory.

Macron, Biden, Trudeau, Scholtz ... The globalists, progressives, Cultural Marxists call them what you will are having a hard time of it. The populations of the west are not cheering for these war mongers and hopefully they'll soon be voted out.     

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« Reply #3877 on: Jun 20, 2024, 08:31:19 PM »
There a bounty on the downing of the first F-16, £150,000, thereafter itís £5,000 each.
My thought is, they might not know where in Ukraine they take off from but theyíll certainly know where they land.
Israel was supposed to have the worlds best air defences but it didnít stop missiles hitting Tel Aviv. It was done by the sheer numbers of missiles & rockets. The system was overwhelmed.
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Re: Arming Ukraine
« Reply #3878 on: Jun 21, 2024, 06:42:42 AM »
John it was Putin who started this war and no one else. Finland's border now free of Russians troops they are all now fighting Ukraine.

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« Reply #3879 on: Jun 21, 2024, 08:28:05 AM »
John it was Putin who started this war and no one else. Finland's border now free of Russians troops they are all now fighting Ukraine.
No Hugh, it was the US who wanted Russiaís energy supply and NATO who wanted to advance right up to Russiaís borders that caused the conflict. They simply found a country stupid enough to fight Russia for them. What would the US do if Cuba (1962) or Mexico agreed to place Russian or Chinese missiles in their countries targeting America? If the Ukraine hadnít started to ethnically cleanse its Russian speakers and NATO hadnít wanted to place missiles in the Ukraine on Russiaís border, none of this would have happened.
 
The Russians are not short of manpower. They havenít even called up national conscription. That the Russians have no soldiers left is straight out of the Kiev Independent.  :) According to Wiki statistics, the Ukraine had approximately a quarter million troops in 2015, if the Ukraine is now desperately short of manpower it means the slaughter of Ukrainians has reached WW1 proportions.
 

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Re: Arming Ukraine
« Reply #3880 on: Jun 21, 2024, 08:41:44 AM »
There a bounty on the downing of the first F-16, £150,000, thereafter itís £5,000 each.
My thought is, they might not know where in Ukraine they take off from but theyíll certainly know where they land.
Israel was supposed to have the worlds best air defences but it didnít stop missiles hitting Tel Aviv. It was done by the sheer numbers of missiles & rockets. The system was overwhelmed.
Using radar and satellites, Russia will know exactly where the F-16s are based and if in the Ukraine they will be destroyed very quickly. Note that the west is sending old F-16s and not the modern F-35ís or the Eurofighter Typhoons and are presently mulling over where to base them. Poland or Romania if theyíre stupid enough to volunteer are the main contenders. 

Putin has said that if these aircraft are based outside the Ukraine it reserves the right to attack the military installations of these countries whether in NATO or not. It beggars belief that a country would allow aircraft based on its soil to attack inside Russian territory and still claim neutrality.       

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« Reply #3881 on: Jun 21, 2024, 09:12:29 AM »
Again you are having to invent things out of thin air, Ivan.
The planes would be stored or maintained  in other countries until needed by Ukraine.
Just like they are now.
Russia is rapidly running out of sabres to rattle, that's why Putler is desperately sucking up to Kim.

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« Reply #3882 on: Jun 21, 2024, 11:33:46 AM »
F16s will be based in Ukraine, that's been decided. I am pretty sure Ukraine know the risks involved and have their own plans. F16s from Holland can be used in Russia.


How the mighty have fallen standing side by side with G8 now G7, and now going with a begging bowl to North Korea who are making Putin look so small.

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« Reply #3883 on: Jun 21, 2024, 12:35:28 PM »
One more huge fire in Moscow this time the Yacht club, not a drone attack.

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« Reply #3884 on: Jun 21, 2024, 01:14:49 PM »
Again you are having to invent things out of thin air, Ivan.
The planes would be stored or maintained  in other countries until needed by Ukraine.
Just like they are now.
Russia is rapidly running out of sabres to rattle, that's why Putler is desperately sucking up to Kim.


Mmm but we know that these F-16s will be taking off from Ukraine for combat & where will they be landing? Iíd say Ukraine. They IMO will be tracked back to their bases, what NATO member would allow them to take off from their country, go into combat & then be allowed to land in their country of take off?


Russia making alliances is no more than what Ukraine has done. In fact, itís what every country does in wars.
Take on board, both China & North Korea have land borders with Russia AND both have been sanctioned by the US.
Just what did the world expect??
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