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dave c

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Migrants!
« on: Aug 12, 2023, 01:36:17 PM »
It`s bad enough we are being over run by ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS but when they get in trouble in French waters our Lifeboats dash across and bring them here instead leaving it to the French to sort them out! So now the NHS which is close to breaking point has more patients who have not paid a penny into the system while we who have worked and paid in  all our lives have to get to the back of an ever lengthening queue which is being made even longer by the doctors striking all the time. Give me strength!!!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 12, 2023, 02:21:55 PM »
Yeah, l agree,
But unsurprisingly , the UK government is
being blamed by the usual suspects for the lossof life?
Myself l blame the charities like care4 Calais
for this as they have encouraged and assisted these foolish people to gather on
Calais beach whilst they wait to cross.
The French authorities should also bear
their share of the blame too !
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 12, 2023, 02:28:55 PM »
I was surprised to find that the migrants were brought to the U.K. when they were just a short distrance from sangatte .


But who are care4calais who finances them ?
Their CEO is Steve Smith who is one a salary of 60k + so where does the money come from ?
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 12, 2023, 04:04:20 PM »
I was surprised to find that the migrants were brought to the U.K. when they were just a short distrance from sangatte .


But who are care4calais who finances them ?
Their CEO is Steve Smith who is one a salary of 60k + so where does the money come from ?


They are a 'charity' muddy,so money no problem.
Yeah it was a bit peculiar for some of the
survivors to be brought to the UK when France was so near?
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Muddy

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« Reply #4 on: Aug 12, 2023, 04:21:51 PM »
So there are obviously hundreds of people who donate to keep these charities going .

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« Reply #5 on: Aug 12, 2023, 04:41:22 PM »
Whoops wrong thread
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 13, 2023, 12:32:29 AM »
Yeah, l agree,
But unsurprisingly , the UK government is
being blamed by the usual suspects for the lossof life?
Myself l blame the charities like care4 Calais
for this as they have encouraged and assisted these foolish people to gather on
Calais beach whilst they wait to cross.
The French authorities should also bear
their share of the blame too !
Donkeyman, 🙄🙄


The blame IMO firmly sits with France & the EU, just like the EU was quick to blame Turkey when boats were being launched from their shores.
Forget the smugglers, these illegals are clambering into boats in broad daylight & France's border force do nowt.
Drownings will alter nothing, over the last few years there's been hundreds. Prevention is better than the cure.........no prevention, then you don't cure it.
Logic on this planet has gone to the dogs, even the dogs don't know for sure now if they're dogs or cats.......


Those beaches should be monitored 24/7, Tonto needs to contact his pal, the Drone Arranger.


 
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 13, 2023, 01:31:15 AM »
It beggars belief that our lifeboats and our coastguards are out there rescuing these people who have left France illegally and THEN bringing them to Britain. Surely if they do rescue them they should have been taken back to a French port.
I believe our lifeboats and coastguards are on a permanent rescue search to find these boats, rescue the people and bring them to Britain.
I used to regularly donate to the RNLI, I no longer do.

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Enver Solomon, chief executive of the Refugee Council, thanked the rescuers for their efforts but urged the UK government to work on creating an "orderly and humane asylum system".


Let us get something straight, none of these people on these boats are asylum seekers, they already have found asylum, they are in no danger in any EU country. Why are they not happy in France, a "safe" country or any other safe countries they must have travelled through to reach France? The reason why they want to come here is that we are the golden goose. Enver Soloman should be addressing any comments to France.

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« Reply #8 on: Aug 13, 2023, 08:40:23 AM »
Haven't read the whole article, but now there seems to be a movement to make safe routes for those trying to cross the channel?
Where is the discouragement in that?  :unsure:

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« Reply #9 on: Aug 13, 2023, 10:00:20 AM »


Let us get something straight, none of these people on these boats are asylum seekers, they already have found asylum, they are in no danger in any EU country. Why are they not happy in France, a "safe" country or any other safe countries they must have travelled through to reach France? The reason why they want to come here is that we are the golden goose. Enver Soloman should be addressing any comments to France.

You may wish that was true but it is not.

Asylum seekers/refugees do not have to stay in the first country they come to for obvious reasons. Britain is not the most favoured destination for refugees but it is a signatory of the 1951 Refugee convention. which also gives them certain rights.

The right not to be expelled, except under certain, strictly defined conditions (Article 32)
The right not to be punished for irregular entry into the territory of a contracting State (Article 31)
The right to non-discrimination (Articles 3 and 5)
The right to decent work (Articles 17 to 19 and 24)
The right to housing, land and property, including intellectual property (Articles 13, 14 and 21)
The right to education (Article 22)
The right to freedom of religion (Article 4)
The right to access to justice (Article 16)
The right to freedom of movement within the territory (Article 26 and Article 31 (2))
The right to be issued civil, identity and travel documents (Articles 12, 27 and 28)
The right to social protection (Articles 23 and 24 (2-4)).
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Muddy

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« Reply #10 on: Aug 13, 2023, 10:42:26 AM »
The 1951 ruling was in the aftermath of the Holocaust when many displaced people were being badly treated .
Itís outdated and doesnít mean that a country should take in anyone who claims to be a refugee but is in fact an economic migrant ,
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 13, 2023, 11:13:25 AM »
Firstly & before we potentially leave the ECHR, we leave & how does that stop the boats, it means the UK can do what exactly?
Secondly, why canít France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Greece etc ship these people out?
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 13, 2023, 11:32:46 AM »
Haven't read the whole article, but now there seems to be a movement to make safe routes for those trying to cross the channel?
Where is the discouragement in that?  :unsure:
Glad  someone thinks the same as I'm thinking  .
How can  that be true?
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 13, 2023, 12:21:11 PM »
The 1951 ruling was in the aftermath of the Holocaust when many displaced people were being badly treated .
Itís outdated and doesnít mean that a country should take in anyone who claims to be a refugee but is in fact an economic migrant ,


I agree.


I wonder.  Under the terms of the 1951 ruling, if I felt like it, could I travel to, say, France in any way I felt like and claimed that I am a refugee, would I be automatically accepted and looked after?


I assume that France is also a signatory to that ruling.


Somehow, I very much doubt it.  Asylum is a one-way street, and it always leads to the soft UK.

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« Reply #14 on: Aug 13, 2023, 01:57:28 PM »
Re safe routes.
What in Gods name does that mean?
Does it mean that everyone who applies at one of these "safe route" places automatically gets let into the UK i.e. no refusals?
Surely that really then becomes an open border in every way.
And if there are refusals, the people do what then? Head for the beach!!

Its bloody piecemeal that's being offered & in no way alters the the current untenable situation.   

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