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Bruce

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« Reply #45 on: Aug 15, 2023, 12:12:01 AM »

So...
Conservative government = five more years of this
Labour government = indefinite continuation of this
Liberal government = indefinite continuation of this
Reform/Reclaim government, possibly including some (true) Conservative MPs = ?


I wonder which option the people will choose.

Surely you know damn well, it will be the revolving door of ineffective Labour and Tory governments until you change the voting system. First past the post will maintain the status quo,  you're just kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
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valerian

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« Reply #46 on: Aug 15, 2023, 09:33:22 AM »
Just been reading about Albanians paying £14,000 to be smuggled from Santander in Spain to Portsmouth by lorry,
apparently they pay for that by working on cannabis farms once they are here

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« Reply #47 on: Aug 15, 2023, 09:45:35 AM »
Why would they need to be smuggled ?
They could just come in legally and just never leave .
There is no law against Albanias visiting the U.K. .
If they were poor and after a better life where would they get £14,000?
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valerian

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« Reply #48 on: Aug 15, 2023, 09:58:49 AM »
That's the thing they get bonded to the drug smugglers in return for their passage.
Seem to think less detection that way



Same thing I guess for the others paying £3000 to £3500 for being smuggled on small boats


This is the article i was reading
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/albanian-migrants-discover-smuggling-route-192537703.html

Muddy

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« Reply #49 on: Aug 15, 2023, 10:50:20 AM »
A friend of mine who rented a house found it had been used as a cannabis farm and it was totally destroyed inside .
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

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« Reply #50 on: Aug 15, 2023, 10:14:49 PM »
Interesting story, and he's so young..."I made it across on my 7th attempt"
But some really grim details.


https://app.inews.co.uk/full_page_image/page-11-1505/content.html 

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« Reply #51 on: Aug 15, 2023, 10:21:16 PM »
I don’t understand if he was imprisoned in a detention centre how he could make seven attempts .
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« Reply #52 on: Aug 16, 2023, 04:31:35 PM »
Well on the last count from the news early this morning around 10 boats were heading this way with around 60 odd on each . What I don’t get is when the uk boarder force picks them up they are not allowed to go into  French waters and take them back to France so how when that boat went down and 6 drowned 5 miles of the French coast was it ok to practically be the first on the scene in the French waters to rescue them and surely it would have been easier to drop them back on the french shores again  😳😳😳

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« Reply #53 on: Aug 16, 2023, 05:14:46 PM »
Well on the last count from the news early this morning around 10 boats were heading this way with around 60 odd on each . What I don’t get is when the uk boarder force picks them up they are not allowed to go into  French waters and take them back to France so how when that boat went down and 6 drowned 5 miles of the French coast was it ok to practically be the first on the scene in the French waters to rescue them and surely it would have been easier to drop them back on the french shores again  😳😳😳


Not possible.
Unlike us, the French aim to protect their country and, once the invaders have set sail, there is no way they're coming back!

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« Reply #54 on: Aug 16, 2023, 07:51:50 PM »
As above,the French will protect their own...and who can blame them. I dont believe we have left the EU. It might be written on paper and said so,but I believe we are still within it but having little say;we just take the orders.


The migrants being sent over are our contribution for our well being and economy to remain balanced. Any stopping of the migrants would mean full retaliation from France. Lorries and imports and exports to-from Europe would be stopped. Once stoppe there would be food shortages and our industries would grind to a halt. France could also stop any aircraft from flying into their airspace. 'Oh no this couldnt be done'. It could be. If it got into any legal dispute the settlement could take years,and by which time we would be finished.


I think we are on our own. France and others have coralled us. We dont know what money is being transferred over to them. We go by what the government tells us. But do we trust our government. I dont. No one in America is going to help us. Russia despises us. We are fighting Germany and France and we are an island. We can be blockaded at any time,and we need their exports,as well as their detritus,sewerage. We havent any leaders,and the Commonwealth we betrayed or let go. We are becoming as like Oxford Street: tatty and shoddy. Once we might have had some taste of independance and of a better future. Now we havent. Things change. Its sad. But we are just a simple dump. Think Birmingham. Oh,better not. You dont want to get depressed

valerian

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« Reply #55 on: Aug 16, 2023, 07:53:08 PM »
There used to be fortresses and cannons to protect us from the invaders. Oh the good old days  ;D

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« Reply #56 on: Aug 16, 2023, 08:44:18 PM »
As above,the French will protect their own...and who can blame them. I dont believe we have left the EU. It might be written on paper and said so,but I believe we are still within it but having little say;we just take the orders.


The migrants being sent over are our contribution for our well being and economy to remain balanced. Any stopping of the migrants would mean full retaliation from France. Lorries and imports and exports to-from Europe would be stopped. Once stoppe there would be food shortages and our industries would grind to a halt. France could also stop any aircraft from flying into their airspace. 'Oh no this couldnt be done'. It could be. If it got into any legal dispute the settlement could take years,and by which time we would be finished.


I think we are on our own. France and others have coralled us. We dont know what money is being transferred over to them. We go by what the government tells us. But do we trust our government. I dont. No one in America is going to help us. Russia despises us. We are fighting Germany and France and we are an island. We can be blockaded at any time,and we need their exports,as well as their detritus,sewerage. We havent any leaders,and the Commonwealth we betrayed or let go. We are becoming as like Oxford Street: tatty and shoddy. Once we might have had some taste of independance and of a better future. Now we havent. Things change. Its sad. But we are just a simple dump. Think Birmingham. Oh,better not. You dont want to get depressed


Oh dear.  After several hundred years, the cowardly French - believe it or not - have finally conquered Britain!


Never!  Sod that!


If we had a strong leadership - a Churchill or a Thatcher - do you think we'd give in to the cheese eating surrender monkeys so easily?

I'd fight to my last breath, and so would many others, younger and far more capable, who would never give in to that sort of thing.


Are we totally dependent on Europe?  Have we not got friends and allies in further-flung areas?
Give in to the Frogs?  Never!

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« Reply #57 on: Aug 16, 2023, 09:08:04 PM »
Look at the numbers.....
Where are they being housed in the likes of Germany & Austria?


https://www.dw.com/en/eus-migration-dilemma-is-sealing-borders-the-solution/a-66543041
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« Reply #58 on: Aug 17, 2023, 07:33:31 AM »
On the World Service last night at about 02.15 am and today at about 05.30am,there was a story about Zimbabwe and its collapse. Within the story was another story of the increasing number of Zimbaweans who were coming to this country and being allowed into this country by the the government to fill vacancies. They were coming to fill care worker vacancies but were also teachers,probably other professions as well. To tell the truth I have met and heard of a few Zimbabweans around: more to come I expect. They all seem nice fellows with a slightly different and more agreeable face than their Nigerian counterparts. Nevertheless more are coming,and I expect a lot,lot more to be allowed to come. I guess this will - in part- help break the teachers union,and perhaps others. Now I have mixed feelings about unions,or should I say their leadership. Shorthand: I hate them. Anyways,this will allow the government to smash the union(s)and keep the wages way down. I guess it will also help us diversify the country even more,if you like this sort of thing. What picqued my interest tho was where are we to place all these people coming into the country. Where are they all to live...and poop? I really cant work it all out. Arent we ram packed at the moment? I thought we were. Anyways as this story was rolling out,the next story was 40,50,80? Senegalese people drowning off of West Africa. They were heading to the Canary Islands,then to Spain. Then,if I heard it right,and spoken by one or two of the Senegalese.........you guessed it,England.


Check it out if you wish. It could have been a nightmare. But I am sure it wasnt.


I spend the afternoon chatting to a friend who has just returned from a holiday travelling in Norway and Sweden. I dont talk such talk with her. But in passing she mentioned some migrants now appearing in these countries now. But not in the huge numbers we have here,and in such a small country.


Its beyond depressing

valerian

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« Reply #59 on: Aug 17, 2023, 09:16:01 AM »
Could be quite a number of Zimbabweans have British ancestry. Mugabe destroyed that country, must be very hard living there.
I used to know a couple who lived there and got out, any pension he might have had, gone. He went gardening for others in Wales